jmm1 Posted August 22, 2022 Share #1 Posted August 22, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) It really is an insult to SL2 owners that Leica in 3 years has not provided us with a LUT for L-Log. The one for the SL2-S is useless on the SL2. Companies like Sony (A1) and even Panasonic S5 (I have and use both for Video) - have branded LUTs that just work perfectly in Final Cut Pro - no thinking or effort required. L-Log is really fabulous but you need to to colour correct and Grad manually. What an embarrassment - makes the SL2 almost useless for video - and worthless in resales. J. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted August 22, 2022 Share #2 Posted August 22, 2022 How many SL users are there that use L log; the camera is more biased toward stills? Most will probably not even know how to use Final Cut Pro. I guess that most that do will take their SL2S or Panasonic S cameras. Panasonic has always catered to video. At any rate the SL has been superseded which makes the firmware fixed in time The only updates will be to add new lenses etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 22, 2022 Share #3 Posted August 22, 2022 The footage works fine using the generic Rec2020 profile in Resolve, but I don't know what workflow people use for FCP. I think that @Aaron Daniel uses FCP with ProRes, perhaps he can share some tips. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted August 22, 2022 Share #4 Posted August 22, 2022 I think the question is how you use the profiles. video editing and color grating is not a 1 lut click solution most of the times. I would suggest to learn some basic of color video editing. I use SL2 for many of my videos and they are wonderful in color accuracy. The SL2s LUT to me have more a look simulation of film. so I made my own luts to install in the camera for the SL2, more natural and less color saturation. Having a lut in camera helps you with exposure and color, and I can use the LUT for reference edit in post. there are a few notes in the forum on how to use the footage in Davinci or Final Cut . You can also look at commercial companies offering LUT for L-Log https://xtremestuff.net/store/l-log-lut-pack/. https://xtremestuff.net/store/leica-l-log-transform/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmm1 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted August 24, 2022 Hands down I do love the quality of the SL2 sensor and L-Log video straight out of the camera. but when you have paid premium levels for a product - you kind of wish that there is long term support. With the release of the SL2-S Leica seems to have abandoned the potential of making the SL2 a high res Video device with a simple firmware upgrade. I realise it is bad business to simply improve firmware which will stop potential upgrades to future hardware but thanks to this policy I have stopped buying Leica cameras and have moved onto Sony and Canon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted August 24, 2022 Share #6 Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jmm1 said: simply improve firmware which will stop potential upgrades to future hardware keep in mind the underpowered processors Edited August 24, 2022 by frame-it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted August 24, 2022 Share #7 Posted August 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 8/22/2022 at 6:52 AM, jmm1 said: The one for the SL2-S is useless on the SL2. Can you share an example? Is this 709 or 2020? Classic or Natural? I haven't worked on an FCP project for years now, but I know that others have discussed FCP issues here in the past. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff C. Bassett Posted August 24, 2022 Share #8 Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/22/2022 at 6:52 AM, jmm1 said: It really is an insult to SL2 owners that Leica in 3 years has not provided us with a LUT for L-Log. The one for the SL2-S is useless on the SL2. Companies like Sony (A1) and even Panasonic S5 (I have and use both for Video) - have branded LUTs that just work perfectly in Final Cut Pro - no thinking or effort required. L-Log is really fabulous but you need to to colour correct and Grad manually. What an embarrassment - makes the SL2 almost useless for video - and worthless in resales. J. If you have the upgraded SL2 firmware the LUT works the same for both cameras. I have both cameras and the result looks near identical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted August 24, 2022 Share #9 Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/22/2022 at 12:52 PM, jmm1 said: The one for the SL2-S is useless on the SL2. Is it? I would have thought that the SL2 is a Rec 2020 camera like the SL2-S, meaning the LUTs should be interchangeable. Regardless, leveraging the full potential means working in Rec2020 or ACES or colour managed like what resolve offers off Leica's L-Log with Rec2020 as input colour space. Anything else will lead to mediocre results (clipped highlights, funky colours). That, BTW, is even true for the Alexa to a certain extent or any other cinema camera because their DR exceeds the regular Rec709 colour space by a large margin. LUTs do make sense for dailies, though. On 8/22/2022 at 12:52 PM, jmm1 said: It really is an insult to SL2 owners that Leica in 3 years has not provided us with a LUT for L-Log. As most colourists, I don't use LUTs, and I don't feel insulted. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esser Posted September 13, 2022 Share #10 Posted September 13, 2022 I asked Leica and they told me that the four LUTs provided for the SL2 S are also working for the SL2 . I use L-Log and the natual LUT and it works pretty good in the camera and also for the Blackmagic Video Assist. I use this LUT also in the post production with Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve Studio. The only further correction I apply is some correction for the exposure (a little bit too dark for my feeling) and depending on the footage some improvement of the shades and colors. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted September 13, 2022 Share #11 Posted September 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, esser said: I asked Leica and they told me that the four LUTs provided for the SL2 S are also working for the SL2 . I use L-Log and the natual LUT and it works pretty good in the camera and also for the Blackmagic Video Assist. I use this LUT also in the post production with Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve Studio. The only further correction I apply is some correction for the exposure (a little bit too dark for my feeling) and depending on the footage some improvement of the shades and colors. you can use it, but it is like using a film preset in Lightroom and change it, the underling correction never goes away. It has a cyan look to it that may look cinematic sometimes but it is not good to use all the time. It would be best to use the color transform tool in DaVinci, and edit to an intended look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esser Posted September 13, 2022 Share #12 Posted September 13, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Photoworks: you can use it, but it is like using a film preset in Lightroom and change it, the underling correction never goes away. It has a cyan look to it that may look cinematic sometimes but it is not good to use all the time. It would be best to use the color transform tool in DaVinci, and edit to an intended look. I just tested it. I didn't know this. Very good tool Thank you for advise! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted September 13, 2022 Share #13 Posted September 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Photoworks said: It would be best to use the color transform tool in DaVinci, For that, chose as input colour space Rec2020 because that’s the SL2/S colour space. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esser Posted September 14, 2022 Share #14 Posted September 14, 2022 vor 21 Stunden schrieb hansvons: For that, chose as input colour space Rec2020 because that’s the SL2/S colour space. Yes that's clear, but what to use for the input-Gamma? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted September 14, 2022 Share #15 Posted September 14, 2022 5 hours ago, esser said: Yes that's clear, but what to use for the input-Gamma? Rec 2020 comes with gamma 2,4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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