Panasonic CL? Or APS-c S5?

[dkCambridgeshire]

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19 minutes ago, lct said:

The announcement i quoted above is dated 16 May 2022. 

Aware of the publication date ... Leica Duke Street's reference was to ALL the false rumours regardless of publication dates. The alleged Leica Camera AG 'Reactive statement' has no signature or reference to any 'in the know' Leica Camera AG senior manager. However, people will believe anything they want to believe — and 'rumours ' will continue to be published for them. 

[lct]

11 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

Aware of the publication date ... Leica Duke Street's reference was to ALL the false rumours regardless of publication dates. The alleged Leica Camera AG 'Reactive statement' has no signature or reference to any 'in the know' Leica Camera AG senior manager. However, people will believe anything they want to believe — and 'rumours ' will continue to be published for them. 

No official statement has been made by Leica as far as i know but do you question the reality of the APS demise actually? Just curious.

[Le Chef]

27 minutes ago, lct said:

No official statement has been made by Leica as far as i know but do you question the reality of the APS demise actually? Just curious.

Yes. Look at Canon, Fuji and Sony who with new cameras would strongly disagree that the APS market is in decline. What has been shown to be in decline is a Leica’s ability to market an APSC camera.

[lct]

46 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Yes. Look at Canon, Fuji and Sony who with new cameras would strongly disagree that the APS market is in decline. What has been shown to be in decline is a Leica’s ability to market an APSC camera.

I was asking about the reality of the APS demise which seems obvious to me but i don't see any future for expensive crop cameras if you ask me.

[elambo]

4 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Yes. Look at Canon, Fuji and Sony who with new cameras would strongly disagree that the APS market is in decline. What has been shown to be in decline is a Leica’s ability to market an APSC camera.

This is correct.

[Enrique Santa]

8 hours ago, jaapv said:

 I don’t think that the present APS crowd with Leica cares one whit whether the sensor is APS or FF as long as the image quality is virtually indistinguishable. Which it is on the CL and TL2. As long as Leica provides a body of the heft and size that matches the CL/TL lenses and at least 24 MP on crop it should be fine. 
as for sales numbers, that rather contradicts Duncan’s post. Do you have Leica’s minimum sales expectation for the CL? 

You are right, but and is a big but, the lens count on size side and at least ,  I do'nt want to pay a FF cam with video features, GPS and the rest of bla,bla,bla features , buy monster lens when I'm perfectily done with apsc . In the other hand, in a moment that sustainability is almost mandatory, apsc must be the way to go even for pros.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/montoablasa1/

Anyway I dont understand Leica marketing at all, if they have any plans for a future "CL like" alone, with Sigma or Pana , they have had enought time to pick up a "little rumour" in the social media , a hope for their actual CL or TL users. A silly way to loose customer, at least me.

 

[Le Chef]

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6 hours ago, lct said:

I was asking about the reality of the APS demise which seems obvious to me but i don't see any future for expensive crop cameras if you ask me.

Obviously not!

[Stephencdean]

Sorry if I started something saying this was the CL2! What I suspect (or is it what I hope!) is a full frame L mount camera, that looks a bit like an M. There are constant rumours about M with EVF, but I don’t think Leica would risk that, as they may lose some rangefinder users. So you use your L/M adapter and mount your M lenses and manual focus. 
I hope Leica do a version as Panny cameras are, somewhat ugly, to my eye. Personal taste of course, and I owned a few of the early MFT ones. Only small things, but the LX100 does not compare to the DLux7 even though is the same camara!