Q Colour Science v M10 Colour Science

[erniethemilk]

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Can anyone shooting or have experience with both Leica Q (typ 116) & the M10-P share any insight into any similarities between the image colours and science. 
 

I love my M10-P & if the original Q offered same colour science I’d be quite tempted to try one. Not sure how much difference between the 2 sensors there is. 

[jaapv]

The basic colour output is created by two things: the specification of the RGB filters of the Bayer filter and the interpolation algorithm in the firmware. The sensor as such has very little to do with it, it being a monochrome device.
I am sure that Leica strives for some consistency. However, as the real colour is created by the photographer in post-processing, it is quite possible to match two cameras very closely. So you should be able to reach very similar results from either camera. Having said that, it is not always easy. Especially the step from the M9 to the M240 was particularly difficult. It took me two months (and an update from Leica) to get the two close.

[sevi]

On 7/30/2022 at 9:10 PM, jaapv said:

However, as the real colour is created by the photographer in post-processing, it is quite possible to match two cameras very closely.

Does that mean that it doesn't matter at all which brand of camera I use in respect to colour? Meaning I could create the same image on any full frame sensor camera if I had the same lens for it?

[Bibowj]

I realize that people say theres no difference, but as someone who has tried SOOO many cameras over the years, I feel there is def a bias to certain colors on cameras. ....BUT I think this taste is in the eye of the beholder. What looks great to me, might not be for you..but I feel there is 100% a difference in color science from model to model. Maybe its the processing, maybe its software. Either way, there are cameras I just can't jive with.

Ones I loved for the color:

- Q1, M10 and M10 R, Canon 5D Mk2 and 3

Ones I could never get to work (for me):

Q2, SL2, M11, Fuji GFX 

OP: I think there are certainly similarities between the 10 and the Q1. To me though, the Q1 and 2 are vastly different. 

[erniethemilk]

44 minutes ago, Bibowj said:

OP: I think there are certainly similarities between the 10 and the Q1. To me though, the Q1 and 2 are vastly different. 

This is what interest me. I love the colours I get from the RAW file of my M10-P. If the original Q gave a very similar file in terms of colour - I’d definitely look at one. 

[M11 for me]

To me the M10 and M11 are similar. The M11 I like especially because the colors that I see on my Mac are very much as I saw them out in nature. Here I am talking about landscape. Contrary to that the Q2 renders differently. Again landscape is in the center of my activity. To me the Q2 colors are off.  The blue of the sky e.g. is not as I see it. Before I created the (my) Q2 profile I had to change all Q2 DNGs (mainly white balance towards colder for the sky). With my created profile I am quite happy. 

[sevi]

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51 minutes ago, Bibowj said:

I realize that people say theres no difference, but as someone who has tried SOOO many cameras over the years, I feel there is def a bias to certain colors on cameras. ....BUT I think this taste is in the eye of the beholder. What looks great to me, might not be for you..but I feel there is 100% a difference in color science from model to model. Maybe its the processing, maybe its software. Either way, there are cameras I just can't jive with.

Ones I loved for the color:

- Q1, M10 and M10 R, Canon 5D Mk2 and 3

Ones I could never get to work (for me):

Q2, SL2, M11, Fuji GFX 

OP: I think there are certainly similarities between the 10 and the Q1. To me though, the Q1 and 2 are vastly different. 

This is also the feeling I have. The out of camera colours give you a basis to work with and this basis does matter. Perhaps someone who is very skilled in post-processing can equalise the differences.

Interesting that you mention the 5D (mk2 and mk3). I love the colours of these cameras for video, especially in "standard" profile (in contrast to "neutral) which had a certain magic for me when saturation, sharpness (in-camera sharpness is the death of digital video), and contrast was reduced to a minimum and then only a bit of contrast and sharpness (unsharp mask in after effects) is needed in post-processing to make the video look great.

This is a little video I shot on the mk2 for a friend some time ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_ft1ti9iA

I love the feel and texture of this camera which does get lost a little because youtube requires you to denoise to avoid pixelation.

[M11 for me]

I agree re Canon. The colors of 5D Mk 2 or 3 and the 4 are wonderful. The R5 that I have now is excellent too. And as Import profile into Lightroom I simply apply the camera settings. The Q2 is very different unfortunately and it is the first camera that "needed" its special profile. There was another thread here recently and a renowned tester contradicted me. I took that seriously. But for me a sky out of the Q2 is simply not blue. I looked at so many pictures out of the Q2. But its not only the sky: When I look at a meadow with its green gras. Then there is always brown gras in between. The M11 renders all that contrast out of cam in its DNG. In the Q2 images I have to work with the brush and add red to bring the brown gras out. I can do it indeed, but its difficult. Therefore my Q2 profile.

Edited August 7, 2022 by M11 for me

[sevi]

1 hour ago, M11 for me said:

Therefore my Q2 profile.

Does this profile solve your issues 100%, meaning the colours are as satisfying as with the M11?

[M11 for me]

Yes, I think so. In many cases anyway. 

[yura]

On 7/30/2022 at 6:14 PM, erniethemilk said:

Can anyone shooting or have experience with both Leica Q (typ 116) & the M10-P share any insight into any similarities between the image colours and science. 
 

I love my M10-P & if the original Q offered same colour science I’d be quite tempted to try one. Not sure how much difference between the 2 sensors there is. 

I can tell you even more - Q (typ116) have even better color in case you are shooting people. I still have Q-P and it is awesome

and good pair to M10.