New Firmware 1.3.0 for Leica M11 (and Fotos app updated to 3.1.0)

[Overgaard]

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1 hour ago, anickpick said:

Single shot works: Just set auto review to shutter button.

You don't have to do that anymore. That glitch seem to have been fixed.

What is left is that (because of all the shutter movements between single shots), there is a limit for how fast you can fire single shots. If you do it too fast, it'l skip the ones where the shutter is not ready yet. 

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[Overgaard]

25 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

Leica download website provides a PDF with instructions and description of the new tools..

The image count should not be reset. Mine didn't.

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33 minutes ago, hmzimelka said:

The new highlight weighted metering, to me, is counter intuitive in execution and I'm not sure it's working properly.

I've just returned from a walk in the dunes, and the highlight weighted metering completely overexposed some shots that had shadow detail in them. The image is so over exposed that I'm pretty sure the red channel must be clipped a bit but LR doesn't return any clipping warning... however pulling down the exposure doesn't result in the highlights retaining the same colour. First attached image (8237) is with highlight weighted metering. Second, (8237-2) is with -2.15 Exposure in LR. Third, (8238) is Multi segment metering with -1.7 stops dialled in on the camera.

The multi-segmented metering gets fooled extremely easily and I find the M10 had better (read more predictable) metering.

I always use RawDigger (available for Mac and Windows) to verify precise exposure, this may help to confirm performance of the new algorithm, given Lightroom's unusual interpretation of what it considers over/underexposed. The OvExp/UnExp Stats (top right) give exact pixel count and percentage, and with the Display OvExp/UnExp you have what I deeply wish Lightroom would reveal in a similar way. Plus the histograms show impact of sensor bit depth, gaps = likely banding, another great 'scientific' way to understand image quality (and a reason to buy medium format, I guess):

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They have another tool, FastRawViewer, which may work even better; less technical, better to go through a large number of images to sort and check which ones are technically good enough to keep ...

Edited March 29, 2022 by Guest

[anickpick]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb Overgaard:

You don't have to do that anymore. That glitch seem to have been fixed.

What is left is that (because of all the shutter movements between single shots), there is a limit for how fast you can fire single shots. If you do it too fast, it'l skip the ones where the shutter is not ready yet. 

Nope. In my experience, the shutter is ready when you set auto review to shutter button, but not when set to review off.

[Tailwagger]

On the plus side, I just did a quick torture test with the 28mm 'lux and I'm pleased to report that is would appear as though the severe fringing problems have been addressed. SooC DNG no processing. Yes, there's some fringing, as should be expected, but no where near the amounts I was previously encountering.   

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On the negative side, not entirely sure...might have to read the manual... but AFAICT PC is screwed up. I took two several shots with PS disabled and tried to invoke the correction in LR but there was no effect. I then took two shots with PC enabled.  One came in uncorrected and again I could not apply the transform. The second shot came in with the transform applied, but when pressing the guided option the image didn't revert to the original.  Perhaps an LR update is required?

[Overgaard]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Thorsten, have you tested the highlight-weighted metering on M11? Every manufacturer implements it differently. 
I compared two indoor shots and found the results of highlight-weighted metering better (more exposure) than with multi-field metering. Typically, I would expect less or equal exposure.
- Srdjan

It seem to expose the entire scene based on highlights; to keep the highlights as bright as possible without blowing them.

Did an outdoor test with sunshine hitting the wall between the palm trees: In that case it underexpose so the wall is not blow out, but the entire photos is underexposed. Very similar to the example in their PDF. 
But then I did an indoor, and where the classic Center-weighted metering does 1/320, the Matrix-metering does 1/270 and Highlight-weighted does 1/180 (increase exposure without blowing highlights). Interesting feature as it doesn't just underexpose to avoid blown highlights, but also lifts exposure when it can. 

The PDF does say that the exposure of the entire photo will be adjusted to the brightest elements. So that goes for both very bright scenes, but also a dark room with no really blown highlights. 

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[mrmalo]

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18 minutes ago, Overgaard said:

You don't have to do that anymore. That glitch seem to have been fixed.

What is left is that (because of all the shutter movements between single shots), there is a limit for how fast you can fire single shots. If you do it too fast, it'l skip the ones where the shutter is not ready yet. 

I don't believe it has. Have you tried the steps to re-produce here:
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/331108-new-firmware-130-for-leica-m11-and-fotos-app-updated-to-310/?do=findComment&comment=4409081

Expected behaviour for me is "Test Case 2". We should have this behaviour but with the settings of "Test Case 1". We shouldn't have to trick the camera with auto review..

 

 

[Tailwagger]

3 minutes ago, Overgaard said:

It seem to expose the entire scene based on highlights; to keep the highlights as bright as possible without blowing them.

Yes. This feature was first added as a part of the SL2 firmware update. I wouldn't say its generically useful, but there are times when it can help to keep from blowing highlights.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Tailwagger

[Overgaard]

Just now, Tailwagger said:

Yes. This feature was first added as a part of the SL2 firmware update. I wouldn't say its generically useful, but there are times when it can help to keep from blowing highlights.

I agree that it could be a shooting style, especially if you do B&W and is concerned about highlights. With the Highlight-weighted you would never loose any highlight, but it would require you can lift all other tones and shadows to make it work. 

For snow I would definitely use it. It would raise exposure of all photos in a snow landscape to maximum exposure. Very tricky to deal with with traditional metering. Even manual. 

[elmars]

vor 12 Minuten schrieb Tailwagger:

On the negative side, not entirely sure...might have to read the manual... but AFAICT PC is screwed up. I took two several shots with PS disabled and tried to invoke the correction in LR but there was no effect. I then took two shots with PC enabled.  One came in uncorrected and again I could not apply the transform. The second shot came in with the transform applied, but when pressing the guided option the image didn't revert to the original.  Perhaps an LR update is required?

You are right. We have to wait for the next LR update to have a perfect working PC with DNG file. In JPG files it is fine.

[LocalHero1953]

I have used highlight-weighted metering on the SL2-S and find it irritating - it's not quite intelligent enough to know which highlights (sun, street lights) I'm prepared to sacrifice. I would rather use the histogram in the EVF combined with exposure compensation.

OTOH I could see it being much more useful in the M11 when there is no histogram visible in traditional OVF mode.

[Overgaard]

5 minutes ago, mrmalo said:

I don't believe it has. Have you tried the steps to re-produce here:
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/331108-new-firmware-130-for-leica-m11-and-fotos-app-updated-to-310/?do=findComment&comment=4409081

Expected behaviour for me is "Test Case 2". We should have this behaviour but with the settings of "Test Case 1". We shouldn't have to trick the camera with auto review..

 

 

The glitch of slow Low continuous speed has been fixed, I meant. Do you agree on that?

The missing shots with Single is still there, I thik we agree on that: And I think I will conclude by now that it will never be fixed. Because of all the shutter movements to take a single photo, there is a limit for how fast you dan do the next single. And as the shutter movement is not predictable (sometimes it stays open, sometimes it closes after a single shot), it's just a bad idea to use the Leica M11 in single shooting mode (when you need to fire more fast because something is happening). 
Not that I like it, but I think that is it. That's how it works, and the way to not have to worry about it is to set the Leica M11 to Low continuous. 

[Tailwagger]

I just rechecked PC and at the moment, while it is in camera and shots taken with PC enabled show a PC icon when you display the file, nothing seems to be working after import into LR. Anyone heard if an LR update is required for this to work?  It be a huge bummer if you have to enable PC to use it. 

EDIT: just noted Elmars post above. Appears we'll need an update. 

Edited March 29, 2022 by Tailwagger

[Tailwagger]

4 minutes ago, elmars said:

You are right. We have to wait for the next LR update to have a perfect working PC with DNG file. In JPG files it is fine.

Do you happen to know if the previous methodology was retained? ie. On the 10-R you do not have to enable PC to use it in LR as the numbers were embedded in the DNG regardless. All PC did was enable the framing lines, which I hated to watch bounce around, so I just guestimated whenever I was using it. 

[elmars]

Sorry but I don´t understand Your question because of my bad English.

[Photoworks]

39 minutes ago, Franka373 said:

Thanks.  I understand how to do a firmware update.  What I am looking for is the correct instructions to prevent shutter count from being reset. 

during the update process it will ask to save setting to SD card.

there is no shutter count reset as it does not actually tell you a shutter count. you probably talking about the image number, that does not change, but it has not connection with the shutter count. When you turn on the camera the shutter opens, that counts as a shutter count, but your photo has not been take.

[Tailwagger]

20 minutes ago, Overgaard said:

But then I did an indoor, and where the classic Center-weighted metering does 1/320, the Matrix-metering does 1/270 and Highlight-weighted does 1/180 (increase exposure without blowing highlights). Interesting feature as it doesn't just underexpose to avoid blown highlights, but also lifts exposure when it can. 

Interesting. I hadnt thought to try this indoors in lower light. Could have used that this weekend, for sure. Have to keep that in mind in future. Thx!

[mrmalo]

10 minutes ago, Overgaard said:

The glitch of slow Low continuous speed has been fixed, I meant. Do you agree on that?

The missing shots with Single is still there, I thik we agree on that: And I think I will conclude by now that it will never be fixed. Because of all the shutter movements to take a single photo, there is a limit for how fast you dan do the next single. And as the shutter movement is not predictable (sometimes it stays open, sometimes it closes after a single shot), it's just a bad idea to use the Leica M11 in single shooting mode (when you need to fire more fast because something is happening). 
Not that I like it, but I think that is it. That's how it works, and the way to not have to worry about it is to set the Leica M11 to Low continuous. 

Yes! I see what you are saying. We are on the same page.

I'd still prefer two shutter button presses a second though  If I need more, I'll switch to one of the continuous drive settings

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2 minutes ago, elmars said:

Sorry but I don´t understand Your question because of my bad English.

Apologies and no worries.  I'll know when the LR update appears.

[LBJ2]

5 hours ago, Overgaard said:

The new firmware 1.3.0.0 for Leica M11 is available at the Leica website now:

https://leica-camera.com/en-US/downloads?download_area_category=1161&field_media_document_topic=1074&field_media_document_language=984

The firmware as well as a detailed PDF of how to update and what it does is there. 

Specifications what it does:

_NEW: Perspective control (in-camera straightening of lines)
_EXTENDED: Additional exposure metering method (highlight weighted)ht-weighted 
_EXTENDED: Additional storage options (DNG on Sd card and JPG on internal memory)NG on SD /JPG on IN 
_IMPROVED: Bugfixes in the firmware (The bug fixes are not further specified but could be shutter delay, CA, etc) 

 

The Fotos App 3.1.0 for smartphone and iPad was updated yesterday: 
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/leica-fotos/id1356061526

 

As far as I can tell, updating camera firmware from the FOTOS App is still a planned feature. I don't see it in there when I connect the Leica M11 with the phone via cable.

 

Curious to see what you experience that the firmware does for your camera?

I am going to hold out to see if I can do the update via the FOTOS app. I really like this feature and obviously will not get to use it often, so this is my chance. How long it takes Leica to include the update in FOTOS, I don't know. I know some wrote about updating the last M11 firmware update with the FOTOS app. Also, I see it as an option in the firmware 1.3.0.0 technical doc.  So hopefully just a matter of time...if I can be patient!