junix Posted March 10, 2022 Share #221 Posted March 10, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hijacking the thread so I don't start a similar one.. I'm in search of my next 35mm, like @Dennis I don't want to collect them, I want to use them as different drawing tools, I prefer smaller lenses (FLE is the biggest size I'm currently comfortable with). Which lens(es) would you suggest that draws differently enough from the ones I currently own? I currently own and enjoy: Summilux FLE Summicron V4 CV 1.4 II SC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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otto.f Posted March 10, 2022 Share #222 Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, junix said: Summilux FLE Summicron V4 These two differ for me differently enough to make a fast choice before I go out with a certain purpose or scenes in my head. And the 'draw' means here for the FLE full color and more selective focus with the bo-keh and for the V4: street with mostly B&W or neutral, reserved colors, works faster and less conspicuous. I do not know the CV 1.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 10, 2022 Share #223 Posted March 10, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 10:20 PM, Dennis said: few shots with the 35/2 LLL What I miss here is depth, a sort of 3D effect in the images which in many Leica lenses can be found Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junix Posted March 10, 2022 Share #224 Posted March 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, otto.f said: These two differ for me differently enough to make a fast choice before I go out with a certain purpose or scenes in my head. And the 'draw' means here for the FLE full color and more selective focus with the bo-keh and for the V4: street with mostly B&W or neutral, reserved colors, works faster and less conspicuous. I do not know the CV 1.4 Thank you. I was probably not clear enough in my post, I was sure I pressed enter after the question mark but I obviously didn't ..and it's easy to miss the "I currently own and enjoy" sentence. I have the FLE and the V4 and you're right about their differences. I'm searching for another 35 that is different enough from these two, but also that is not too similar to the CV 1.4 (lovely lens at a fraction of the price of the other two..). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share #225 Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, junix said: Hijacking the thread so I don't start a similar one.. I'm in search of my next 35mm, like @Dennis I don't want to collect them, I want to use them as different drawing tools, I prefer smaller lenses (FLE is the biggest size I'm currently comfortable with). Which lens(es) would you suggest that draws differently enough from the ones I currently own? I currently own and enjoy: Summilux FLE Summicron V4 CV 1.4 II SC You are very welcome to hijacking the thread. I do it often too, sometimes can't resist 🙂 You have already three very different character lenses. In your place, wanting another option (that makes sense and renders differently), I would think about: Zeiss 35/2.8 ZM Light Lens Lab 35/2 8-element 35/1.4 MC The CV is not very similar to your SC version, and it's a lens adored by many users here. It's like two lenses in one. Wide-open it has a nice glow but is very sharp in the center with a lovely vignette. But around f/4-8, it's very modern as many lenses. I know a few members who love it so much that it is their desert island lens. The LLL is the replica of the 8 elements Summicron v1. I created this thread to pursue another 35 with a different drawing character, and I finally ended with the LLL. I own five 35s, and TBH w/ you, it's my favorite for its build dense (but light) weight. It just feels wow in your hands. And it's 'vintage' enough to differentiate from my other 35s. Last but not less important is the ZM. Technically, probably the best performer. It doesn't matter the scene situation. It always delivers always well. One of the best flare resistance lenses out there, a little clinical sometimes. Tiny and light, not fast, but wow. I would say, similar to the 21 SEM: impeccable. I just don't like the aesthetics, the 1/3 f-stop, and the focus knob. I use it mainly at f4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share #226 Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, otto.f said: What I miss here is depth, a sort of 3D effect in the images which in many Leica lenses can be found That's precisely the reason why I like it so much. If I want a 3D pop effect, I take other lenses. THIS IS THE GUY when I want a more neutral and 'soft' outcome. Not everything has to be super sharp and 3D. What about 2D? Mario Bros is a must. This is LLL 35/2 at f4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329502-35mm-this-is-the-way/?do=findComment&comment=4398344'>More sharing options...
junix Posted March 11, 2022 Share #227 Posted March 11, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 hours ago, Dennis said: You are very welcome to hijacking the thread. I do it often too, sometimes can't resist 🙂 You have already three very different character lenses. In your place, wanting another option (that makes sense and renders differently), I would think about: Zeiss 35/2.8 ZM Light Lens Lab 35/2 8-element 35/1.4 MC The CV is not very similar to your SC version, and it's a lens adored by many users here. It's like two lenses in one. Wide-open it has a nice glow but is very sharp in the center with a lovely vignette. But around f/4-8, it's very modern as many lenses. I know a few members who love it so much that it is their desert island lens. The LLL is the replica of the 8 elements Summicron v1. I created this thread to pursue another 35 with a different drawing character, and I finally ended with the LLL. I own five 35s, and TBH w/ you, it's my favorite for its build dense (but light) weight. It just feels wow in your hands. And it's 'vintage' enough to differentiate from my other 35s. Last but not less important is the ZM. Technically, probably the best performer. It doesn't matter the scene situation. It always delivers always well. One of the best flare resistance lenses out there, a little clinical sometimes. Tiny and light, not fast, but wow. I would say, similar to the 21 SEM: impeccable. I just don't like the aesthetics, the 1/3 f-stop, and the focus knob. I use it mainly at f4 Thank you. CV 35 1.4 MC? Interesting.. I thought it was too similar to the SC version to own both. I bought the SC for my M-A + Tri-X and I love it. I might give the MC a try on the M10-R as they're really inexpensive.. in the Leica world. I almost bought an 8 elements Summicron V1 some time ago but then went for a V4 as I found a mint chrome version that was not so ridiculously priced. LLL can be a better alternative for a lens that I pan to actively use. I started reading some reviews of the LLL.. looks promising. Regarding the Zeiss, not sure I would be able to live with 1/3 f-stops. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 11, 2022 Share #228 Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, junix said: ...I almost bought an 8 elements Summicron V1 some time ago but then went for a V4 as I found a mint chrome version that was not so ridiculously priced. LLL can be a better alternative for a lens that I plan to actively use. I started reading some reviews of the LLL.. looks promising... If you like the rendering of the Leica v1 Summicron then the LLL '8 Element' would be an excellent choice for, primarily, two reasons. The first is (obviously) the comparatively reasonable price-tag and the second is that, as they can be bought brand-new, there isn't the possible attendant risk of there being any haze/fungus/60-years-of-use-abuse issues. Before I picked up my own copy I had been considering an original advertised locally (dealership) but it was being sold for well over twice the asking price of the LLL, had a bit of 'wobble' and also some haze. I couldn't possibly be happier with my decision to take the LLL instead; magnificent lens in every respect. Philip. Edited March 11, 2022 by pippy 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share #229 Posted March 11, 2022 8 hours ago, junix said: I might give the MC a try on the M10-R as they're really inexpensive.. in the Leica world. Correct! The SC on film and the MC on digital, like a charm! It's very affordable, and you like already the SC version you have. So probably, you will love the Mc too 🙂 8 hours ago, junix said: Regarding the Zeiss, not sure I would be able to live with 1/3 f-stops. Agree! Half stop is better than 1/3. But there is a solution: use it (as I do) at f/4 only 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 16, 2022 Share #230 Posted March 16, 2022 Well, after going round and round in circles, I've come to a decision. I have the 35 Summilux-M pre-asph v2, and was looking for something more ... modern, or perhaps less "character". The LLL 35/2 (8 elements) looked like it really wasn't so different from what I have; similarly the 35/2 Ultra II, while appealing, also seems to have that more classical look; I have never bonded with the 35 Summicron-M ASPH; I didn't like 2 versions of the 35 Summilux-M ASPH (FLE); so, that left the 35 APO Summicron-M ASPH ... way too expensive, and hard to get. So, I've picked up a Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 T* ZM, in silver, with a silver hood for a good price. I was looking at the images with this lens online, and it looks like it will fit the bill. I also recalled that when the FLE was released, there was a lot of discussion on the forum about how the Distagon 35/1.4 was a better lens all round. Let's see. I know it's big, but I have the pre-asph if I want small. I also have a number of other large lenses, so I don't imagine it will be a problem. Thanks to all here for your input. Cheers John 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share #231 Posted March 16, 2022 11 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Well, after going round and round in circles, I've come to a decision. I have the 35 Summilux-M pre-asph v2, and was looking for something more ... modern, or perhaps less "character". The LLL 35/2 (8 elements) looked like it really wasn't so different from what I have; similarly the 35/2 Ultra II, while appealing, also seems to have that more classical look; I have never bonded with the 35 Summicron-M ASPH; I didn't like 2 versions of the 35 Summilux-M ASPH (FLE); so, that left the 35 APO Summicron-M ASPH ... way too expensive, and hard to get. So, I've picked up a Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 T* ZM, in silver, with a silver hood for a good price. I was looking at the images with this lens online, and it looks like it will fit the bill. I also recalled that when the FLE was released, there was a lot of discussion on the forum about how the Distagon 35/1.4 was a better lens all round. Let's see. I know it's big, but I have the pre-asph if I want small. I also have a number of other large lenses, so I don't imagine it will be a problem. Thanks to all here for your input. Cheers John Congrats, John, that's a terrific decision. You can't go wrong with the Distagon. If you get used to size and weight, it is unbeatable. There was also the 35/2.8 ZM on the same outstanding level performance, which is a true gem: but tiny and light. Though maybe you needed a fast lens, so the 2.8 was not enough for you. Once you have some Distagon shots, please feel free to share them here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 16, 2022 Share #232 Posted March 16, 2022 Thanks Dennis. Yes, I though about the Biogon - if I find the Distagon too big, I will look at that. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share #233 Posted March 16, 2022 For informational purposes, here are all my 35s. The lighter lens is the Nokton 1.4 II w/ 189 gr., while the heaviest is the 35/1.2III w/ 332gr Filter threads: (2 x 39mm) + (2 x 43mm) + (1 x 52mm) MFD all 70cm, except for the 35/1.2III which is 50cm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Note: two lenses are painted and completed, two are just black-taped (until now), one w/ working in progress... 35mm ... This is the way! (mine ) 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Note: two lenses are painted and completed, two are just black-taped (until now), one w/ working in progress... 35mm ... This is the way! (mine ) ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329502-35mm-this-is-the-way/?do=findComment&comment=4401910'>More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 17, 2022 Share #234 Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dennis said: here are all my 35s And with which lens did you photograph them? What a distortion! The 1.2 seems a tilt/shift lens… Edited March 17, 2022 by otto.f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted March 17, 2022 Share #235 Posted March 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, otto.f said: And with which lens did you photograph them? What a distortion! The 1.2 seems a tilt/shift lens… I thought it had melted! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share #236 Posted March 17, 2022 6 hours ago, otto.f said: And with which lens did you photograph them? What a distortion! The 1.2 seems a tilt/shift lens… 5 hours ago, Ouroboros said: I thought it had melted! Snapshot by a Nokia smartphone. It's bad, I know. I hope you can forgive me one day! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted March 18, 2022 Share #237 Posted March 18, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 6:21 PM, Dennis said: As the thread title, 35mm this is the way. Dennis, it seems you have been watching the Mandalorian Coming late to this thread, I will cast my vote for the pre-FLE 35 Lux ASPH. I bought mine at Photokina when it first came out. I used it in my film Leica days as well as digital. I never experienced focus shift with mine, or maybe I just never noticed it. For me it is the best all around 35. Having said that, in the past few years I have been using it less because of its bulk. I went back to the 35 Lux pre-ASPH my dad bought me in 1972. I love it’s size and dual character wide open and stopped down. In the last 18 months, I’ve been smitten by a German Summicron v4. I swapped a Canadian version for it that I had picked up for a song. I love it’s small size and it’s rendering is outstanding. I added a new CNC metal focus tab off of Etsy, replacing the cheap feeling plastic OEM one. Heaven! Occasionally, I’ll use a nice chrome 35/2.8 Summaron I have just for fun. I have the LLL 8 element, but it is a pre-production unit. I can’t say I am bowled over by its performance though. I much prefer the v4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #238 Posted March 18, 2022 49 minutes ago, derleicaman said: Dennis, it seems you have been watching the Mandalorian What's that? A kind of tangerine? . Now I'm super fine w/ my 35s 🏆 There is just curiosity for the pre-Fle and the Cron v4 that I never tried. One day... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted March 18, 2022 Share #239 Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dennis said: What's that? A kind of tangerine? . Now I'm super fine w/ my 35s 🏆 There is just curiosity for the pre-Fle and the Cron v4 that I never tried. One day... Hahaha, no its a series on Disney+. It is a Star Wars character. For the Mandalorians, "This is the way", sums up their ethos and creed, their way of life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #240 Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, derleicaman said: Hahaha, no its a series on Disney+. It is a Star Wars character. For the Mandalorians, "This is the way", sums up their ethos and creed, their way of life. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hahahaha.... This is the way! So, It's not a tangerine, or type of mandarin! I know Bill, I catch you! I was joking, It was just sarcasm. I'm a big fan! Edited March 18, 2022 by Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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