Leica Q3 predictions / ruminations

[cirke]

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1 hour ago, snooper said:

So… In short… After lots of views on the subject, I still have a question related to Leica’s choices for the Q3…

If (and that is conditional of course) you were given the choice between - let’s say - a Q3 28mm and a Q3 40mm, (both Summilux) which one would you pick ?

I thought 28 would be the obvious answer, but it seems that it’s not… Pure speculation, obviously 😉

i will not buy a Q 28 even for half price but ill buy at once a Q 40 or 50 and maybe a Q35

a wonderful Q 40 (or 43)  summilux (1.7 I guess)  would be a  dream even for 8k 🙂

Edited March 26, 2023 by cirke

[snooper]

On 3/26/2023 at 11:27 AM, cirke said:

a wonderful Q 40 (or 43)  summilux (1.7 I guess)  would be a  dream even for 8k 🙂

8K !!!! Don’t give them such a bad idea !!! 😜

[frame-it]

On 3/26/2023 at 4:48 PM, snooper said:

So… In short… After lots of views on the subject, I still have a question related to Leica’s choices for the Q3…

If (and that is conditional of course) you were given the choice between - let’s say - a Q3 28mm and a Q3 40mm, (both Summilux) which one would you pick ?

I thought 28 would be the obvious answer, but it seems that it’s not… Pure speculation, obviously 😉

id go for a Q50+apo summicron 60MP

[snooper]

Let’s assume the alternative is either Q3-28 or Q3-40, both Summilux. No Q50, no APO Summicron, etc.  

Edited March 27, 2023 by snooper

[frame-it]

38 minutes ago, snooper said:

Let’s assume the alternative is either Q3-28 or Q3-40, both Summilux. No Q50, no APO Summicron, etc.  

in that case a 60MP Q3-40mm f1.4-f22

But, proper F1.4, even at minimum focus distance

[frame-it]

>>>>>

- 発表は2023年の5月 / 6月頃の予定
- ライカM11と同じセンサーと画像処理エンジンを採用
- ボディとレンズ、手ブレ補正はライカQ2と同じ
- コードネームはWilson
- 価格はQ2（現在5795ドル）よりも高くなる
- 可動式液晶モニタ
- より高解像度のEVF
- メモリー内蔵
- USB充電対応
- 8K動画は非搭載
- 位相差AF
- ワイヤレス充電可能な新型ハンドグリップ
- バッテリーは同じライカBP-SCL4リチウムイオン電池だが、よりハイパワー/mAhになっている

ライカQ3はレンズはQ2と同じもののようですが、M11と同じ6000万画素センサーと画像処理エンジンが採用され、位相差AFにも対応するということで、結構大きなモデルチェンジになりそうです。また、モニタが可動式になるのもQ2との大きな違いですね。

 

   to be announced around May/June 2023
- same sensor and image processing engine as the Leica M11
- Same body, lens and image stabilization as Leica Q2
- Codename Wilson
- Price will be higher than Q2 (currently $5795)
- Movable LCD monitor
- higher resolution EVF
- Built-in memory
- Supports USB charging
- 8K video not installed
- Phase detection AF
- New handgrip with wireless charging
- The battery is the same Leica BP-SCL4 Lithium Ion but with higher power/mAh

The Leica Q3 seems to have the same lens as the Q2, but it seems to be a pretty big model change because it uses the same 60-megapixel sensor and image processing engine as the M11, and it also supports phase detect AF. Another big difference from the Q2 is that the monitor is movable.

[Le Chef]

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Like most gossip, the same details get passed around in ever-expanding circles until no one can say for sure where the claims came from. I’ve yet to see anyone authenticate the claims being made, so have to assume it’s fiction created as clickbait.

[Simone_DF]

12 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Like most gossip, the same details get passed around in ever-expanding circles until no one can say for sure where the claims came from. I’ve yet to see anyone authenticate the claims being made, so have to assume it’s fiction created as clickbait.

Usually https://digicame-info.com is spot on and doesn't post clickbaits. This is the old Nokishita after he moved from Twitter.

[Simone_DF]

52 minutes ago, frame-it said:

- Phase detection AF

The Leica Q3 seems to have the same lens as the Q2, but it seems to be a pretty big model change because it uses the same 60-megapixel sensor and image processing engine as the M11, and it also supports phase detect AF. Another big difference from the Q2 is that the monitor is movable.

I wonder if it will have the Maestro III or a newer Maestro IV engine. The Maestro III is fine on the M11 because it doesn't have to drive autofocus, but it's already at its limits on the SL2 with 47mp and no phase detect. Hopefully it won't be sluggish.

[frame-it]

8 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

This is the old Nokishita after he moved from Twitter.

no its not

[frame-it]

4 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I wonder if it will have the Maestro III or a newer Maestro IV engine. The Maestro III is fine on the M11 because it doesn't have to drive autofocus, but it's already at its limits on the SL2 with 47mp and no phase detect. Hopefully it won't be sluggish.

well its 2023, Leica shouldn't play those underpowered-processor-games anymore

[Simone_DF]

1 minute ago, frame-it said:

no its not

Oh really? I thought it was Nokishita in a new website! Ok thank you for the correction!

[Casey Jefferson]

Finger crossed for backward compatibility for Q2!😳 Longer battery life is always a plus!

[T25UFO]

1 hour ago, frame-it said:

>>>>>

- 発表は2023年の5月 / 6月頃の予定
- ライカM11と同じセンサーと画像処理エンジンを採用
- ボディとレンズ、手ブレ補正はライカQ2と同じ
- コードネームはWilson
- 価格はQ2（現在5795ドル）よりも高くなる
- 可動式液晶モニタ
- より高解像度のEVF
- メモリー内蔵
- USB充電対応
- 8K動画は非搭載
- 位相差AF
- ワイヤレス充電可能な新型ハンドグリップ
- バッテリーは同じライカBP-SCL4リチウムイオン電池だが、よりハイパワー/mAhになっている

ライカQ3はレンズはQ2と同じもののようですが、M11と同じ6000万画素センサーと画像処理エンジンが採用され、位相差AFにも対応するということで、結構大きなモデルチェンジになりそうです。また、モニタが可動式になるのもQ2との大きな違いですね。

 

   to be announced around May/June 2023
- same sensor and image processing engine as the Leica M11
- Same body, lens and image stabilization as Leica Q2
- Codename Wilson
- Price will be higher than Q2 (currently $5795)
- Movable LCD monitor
- higher resolution EVF
- Built-in memory
- Supports USB charging
- 8K video not installed
- Phase detection AF
- New handgrip with wireless charging
- The battery is the same Leica BP-SCL4 Lithium Ion but with higher power/mAh

The Leica Q3 seems to have the same lens as the Q2, but it seems to be a pretty big model change because it uses the same 60-megapixel sensor and image processing engine as the M11, and it also supports phase detect AF. Another big difference from the Q2 is that the monitor is movable.

Exactly the same was reported on Leica Rumours, but they usually get their info from Nokishita, and this seems to be the case here.  Copy, paste and Google Translate is your friend 🙂.

[Olaf_ZG]

Looks all great, hope just that it won’t be as problematic as the m11, which needed one more year to grow up…

That said, it makes me really looking forward what the SL3 will bring…

[Simone_DF]

16 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Looks all great, hope just that it won’t be as problematic as the m11, which needed one more year to grow up…

That said, it makes me really looking forward what the SL3 will bring…

The Phase Detect AF tech stack is new to Panasonic. It will probably take a year or two to iron out the first implementation issues and roll out improvements, and Leica will follow with about 6-9 months delays. There is to say that Panasonic's AF is already looking good out of the box though. 

[Olaf_ZG]

Just now, Simone_DF said:

The Phase Detect AF tech stack is new to Panasonic. It will probably take a year or two to iron out the first implementation issues and roll out improvements, and Leica will follow with about 6-9 months delays. There is to say that Panasonic's AF is already looking good out of the box though. 

To be honest AF is the last of my worries. LENR, tiltable screen and the 60mp sensor of the m11 is what I am hoping for in the SL3.

as I can’t afford both at once (recently upgraded all), I would rather invest in the most versatile which would be the SL3.

my new q2 would lose some value, which makes it easier tossing around, it will be a real edc 🤪

[Martin B]

I hoped the Q3 would have an interchangeable lens option to allow either directly or via adapter to mount M lenses. 

A fixed lens camera option is already an exclusion criteria for me - especially with this kind of estimated pricing for a fixed lens camera. 

Please, Leica, make a hybrid Q/M camera (or call it M camera with EVF instead of rangefinder) which would surely be a great seller - without being too afraid of in-house competition of such hybrid with existing Qs and Ms.  

[Le Chef]

7 minutes ago, Martin B said:

I hoped the Q3 would have an interchangeable lens option to allow either directly or via adapter to mount M lenses. 

Because design and construction of the Q/Q2 is so different the task of adding lenses of different focal lengths would not be easy. The shutter is built into the lens and the lens is built into the camera - there’s no mount - and the sensor position is optimized for that setup. To add 35 or 50 or 75mm or zoom lenses would require re-engineering the camera from the ground up. And that’s before you add the complexities of OIS and PD.

For example if you want to know what a 28-70mm Q2 would look like then look across at the SL2 with the 28-70 f2.8 zoom lens or SL 35, 50, 90mm lenses. The zoom lens alone is 850g or so. The body alone weighs 835g. The Q2 complete is 718g so you can see the advantage of a fixed lens with built in shutter just on weight alone.

If we believe from gossip that the next generation Q will have a 60MP sensor and will possibly have “pixel binning”, why do you need to add more weight, more complexity, greater size and greater cost, when you can achieve all you might want from a 28mm f1.7 built-in lens?

So apart from the added cost of R&D that requires payback, the new variants would not only cost more but would cause the camera to lose compactness particularly if you wanted the lenses to be fast around 1.4 to 1.8 and still autofocus.

And finally there’s the added complexity of production - more parts to produce and store, and for dealers more SKU’s that requires more capital.

The easier and cheaper solution is to bump the sensor up to 60MP and let people learn how to crop from 28mm.

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[Martin B]

9 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Because design and construction of the Q/Q2 is so different the task of adding lenses of different focal lengths would not be easy. The shutter is built into the lens and the lens is built into the camera - there’s no mount - and the sensor position is optimized for that setup. To add 35 or 50 or 75mm or zoom lenses would require re-engineering the camera from the ground up. And that’s before you add the complexities of OIS and PD.

For example if you want to know what a 28-70mm Q2 would look like then look across at the SL2 with the 28-70 f2.8 zoom lens or SL 35, 50, 90mm lenses. The zoom lens alone is 850g or so. The body alone weighs 835g. The Q2 complete is 718g so you can see the advantage of a fixed lens with built in shutter just on weight alone.

If we believe from gossip that the next generation Q will have a 60MP sensor and will possibly have “pixel binning”, why do you need to add more weight, more complexity, greater size and greater cost, when you can achieve all you might want from a 28mm f1.7 built-in lens?

So apart from the added cost of R&D that requires payback, the new variants would not only cost more but would cause the camera to lose compactness particularly if you wanted the lenses to be fast around 1.4 to 1.8 and still autofocus.

And finally there’s the added complexity of production - more parts to produce and store, and for dealers more SKU’s that requires more capital.

The easier and cheaper solution is to bump the sensor up to 60MP and let people learn how to crop from 28mm.

Sounds like a lot of excuses always heard before a new series is introduced 😀. Didn't clearly express it in my earlier post, but I have no interest in AF - this would simplify such camera and also avoid in-house competition with existing SL and Q cameras. I don't think a Leica M with EVF instead of rangefinder would be so hard to build. Reduces the amount of mechanical components, and the freed space of the rangefinder could be used for electronic parts to allow powerful EVF.  I also don't think that this hybrid camera would cause a lot of drop in sales for existing M cameras - I would certainly keep my rangefinder cameras but would add such hybrid camera if available.