bobtodrick Posted November 26, 2022 Share #261 Posted November 26, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, clasami said: I wouldn't put it so negatively. Pros use their equipment to make moeny - and for as long as the equipment does the job, no need to reduce profit by getting something new. As an amateure, I can strive to use the most exiting equipment regardless of cost/profit. Objectively, the Q2 is utter overkill for me. The images I take could have been taken with my NEX6 or Canon G1X from years ago. But the Q2 pushes the limits of low light photography even further, and the lens is so sweet - I don't need it, but I love it. So amateurs going after the latest and greates is something positive. It is fun and satisfying. Don’t get me wrong…having good equipment is well worth it. I’m talking about those that get rid of their two year old Q (or any brand) for the Q2 because it will improve their photography…and now two years later are champing at the bit for the Q3 to better their photography. In all likelihood their original Q had more capability than they could make use of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Le Chef Posted November 27, 2022 Share #262 Posted November 27, 2022 Then surely the test is twofold: has their photography improved, and can they point to the camera being the decisive factor? Let’s not get into placebo effects! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clasami Posted November 27, 2022 Share #263 Posted November 27, 2022 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Le Chef: Then surely the test is twofold: has their photography improved, and can they point to the camera being the decisive factor? Let’s not get into placebo effects! Well, I can tell you that if I really like a camera, I am more likely to go out and take pictures. Happend when I got into Fuji alongside perfectly capable Sony cameras, and now again with teh Q2. As we know from medical science, the placebo effect is a strong and important one 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted November 27, 2022 Share #264 Posted November 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Le Chef said: Then surely the test is twofold: has their photography improved, and can they point to the camera being the decisive factor? Let’s not get into placebo effects! Thing is most people think the camera does it all, they don’t doubt their skills as photographers… this is why I hate those even if high tech multiprogrammed cameras, I love to shoot manual as I learnt 60 years ago and do as I feel, not as the camera “wants”. For me simpler is the best. I have a Nikon D800 since… 10 years maybe more, and replaced the M for a Q2 because gear was becoming to heavy for me to always “wear” it, the Q2 is perfect, simple, covers most situations except for birdwatch: the D800 with 300mm Nikkor prime does the job. The Q2 was a great improvement from the Q. I had the Q and kept it for someone in my family who is very happy with it and does not even dream of another camera. The Q3 would have to convince me, a f/1.4 would be the argument cause I mostly use very shallow DOF. Well, as you can understand I am not a good costumer as I don’t suffer from GAS 🤣 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzX Posted November 27, 2022 Share #265 Posted November 27, 2022 For the purpose I bought just recently a Q2 in exchange against my CL gear it is more than good enough for me. I..e. light gear and excellent photo quality in focal angle of 28mm up to 50mm. And an excellent built quality. For other purposes I use my SL2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted November 27, 2022 Share #266 Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) Am 11.11.2022 um 21:26 schrieb Lucena: Why video feature on cameras. Video is video and photography is photography. I hate to have the video useless (for me) feature. In the past you had cameras for photo and cameras for film, they were not the same as it is not the same use. My dream with be no video feature on Q3... and also f/1.4... I can just fully support you with these statements. But there is as well another problem: Most (99,9%) of these little films I see here and there are so poor that I really wonder why people want to spend a few thousands of money to produce such things. It is clear that the camera could do better 🤑 Fact is though that more and more people look for Video. That is the megatrend. See Canon and Sony: They have all to bring systems with no overheating and no restrictions. But all of that has nothing to do with photography. I have an M, a Q2 and Canon R5. I love the fact that the M has no video. The video of the Q2 I never used till now. Nor did I use video with R5. Video is something for my iPhone 😄 Edited November 27, 2022 by M11 for me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRandom Posted November 27, 2022 Share #267 Posted November 27, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 hours ago, clasami said: Well, I can tell you that if I really like a camera, I am more likely to go out and take pictures. Happend when I got into Fuji alongside perfectly capable Sony cameras, and now again with teh Q2. As we know from medical science, the placebo effect is a strong and important one 🙂 Agreed. I never really enjoyed using the Sony cameras I had except for the RX1. The RX1 led me to the Q which led to the Q2. I also had some Fuji's that came and went, but I aways went back to the RX1/Q/Q2. Just something fun and liberating about this style of camera. Something that made me want to put my hands on it. The Q3 would have to be a really compelling upgrade for me to consider it since my phone has increasingly become the camera that is always with me. A 28-50-90 Tri-Elmar style lens would catch my eye but would probably lack the charm of the Q2 since such a lens would make the camera too big to be practical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted November 28, 2022 Share #268 Posted November 28, 2022 The "rumination" part of the title of this thread got me thinking. I've a Q. It's probably still a better camera than I am a photographer. Resolution is adequate for my needs. When the Q2 came out I looked at the specs and decided that while it is probably a better camera, none of the changes or new features were something I had to have. Now with the talk of a Q3 I'm wondering if there is anything Leica could add that would cause me to think "I've got to upgrade"? Sure, there are lots of things that would make the camera better, but are they things I care about? Mostly I use the Q to take "reportage" type pictures of family and friends. I typically use manual focus and a metadata search of my Q images shows I seem to like f/4. The only thing I miss is long exposure. I'd like a real Bulb mode. But is that enough to actually upgrade? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted November 28, 2022 Share #269 Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) My cameras have always exceeded my skills, they have never significantly limited me. I find ergonomics and my eye sight to be the critical factors. Most of my cameras are hard to use wearing spectacles, some lenses are a bit heavier than I’d like but I’m not willing to swap them out. I have no Q, but I had a chance to fondle one in Leica Mayfair a few years ago and found the ergonomics very good, an improved (fov tracks selected ‘focal length’ please) and higher resolution EVF would be the only thing I would desire to see improved given that other changes would likely have undesirable tradeoffs in size, weight, battery life etc. Edited November 28, 2022 by Mr.Prime 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyBerga Posted January 30, 2023 Share #270 Posted January 30, 2023 My wish for Q3 is fast Video (60 fps 4k no crop, 120 fps 4k 1.5 x crop, 220 - 300 fps HD), 60, 40, 20 MP and, first of all, hybrid phase detect autofokus. Reset this pseudo Summilux to a real 1.4. I'm not a beast of burden, I want to get best of all in one item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2023 Share #271 Posted January 30, 2023 Hmm The reason this Summilux is 1.7 is size. You would not like the bulk of a 1.4. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted January 30, 2023 Share #272 Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, jaapv said: Hmm The reason this Summilux is 1.7 is size. You would not like the bulk of a 1.4. I believe you, nevertheless f/1.4 and no video feature would make Q3 the perfect camera for me. So I guess I will be in love with my Q2 for many many years 🥰 Edited January 30, 2023 by Lucena Tapping error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted January 30, 2023 Share #273 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Lucena said: no video feature That's not going to happen. It would be commercial suicide. Video is as important (and sometimes MORE important) than stills in today's market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 30, 2023 Share #274 Posted January 30, 2023 On 11/27/2022 at 11:19 AM, M11 for me said: Most (99,9%) of these little films I see here and there are so poor that I really wonder why people want to spend a few thousands of money to produce such things. This applies to still images as well.😉 I would use the Q2 for video more if it didn't have the 30 minute recording limit. There is no regulatory need for it these days, but perhaps Leica reckons the camera would overheat if it ran for longer (my TL2 would stop recording after 20 mins with overheating). I just hope that these notions of getting rid of video are confined to that bastion of conservatism, the M series. I would hate to see Leica's more modern designs so constrained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2023 Share #275 Posted January 30, 2023 Indeed, especially for the type of camera the Q is, compact, light, an ideal travel and daily companion. Life is not always captured in still images, for dynamic scenes one sometimes needs (simple) Video. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwertynm Posted January 30, 2023 Share #276 Posted January 30, 2023 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Lucena: (...) and no video feature would make Q3 the perfect camera for me I don't understand this notion at all. The EVF gets a video feed from the sensor anyway. If you want a camera incapable of video, liveview and/or EVF you need to shoot a film M. To limit the camera in software to not offer video capabilities would be silly imho. There is no dedicated, visible videobutton on the Q2 that screems VIDEO. So what do you gain if there was no video function in your Q2? If you don't want video, just don't use it. That simple. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted January 30, 2023 Share #277 Posted January 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, Qwertynm said: I don't understand this notion at all. The EVF gets a video feed from the sensor anyway. If you want a camera incapable of video, liveview and/or EVF you need to shoot a film M. To limit the camera in software to not offer video capabilities would be silly imho. There is no dedicated, visible videobutton on the Q2 that screems VIDEO. So what do you gain if there was no video function in your Q2? If you don't want video, just don't use it. That simple. I am no technician but discarding video feature could maybe allow increase elsewhere, or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted January 30, 2023 Share #278 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: That's not going to happen. It would be commercial suicide. Video is as important (and sometimes MORE important) than stills in today's market. Shame… modern show-off times. Wouldn’t smartphones be enough for most of the so called photographers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted January 30, 2023 Share #279 Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I just hope that these notions of getting rid of video are confined to that bastion of conservatism, the M series. I would hate to see Leica's more modern designs so constrained. For me the ideal Q3 would be what it is without video. Carrying my M and lenses all the time became too heavy for me, that is why I moved for the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted January 30, 2023 Share #280 Posted January 30, 2023 55 minutes ago, Lucena said: Shame… modern show-off times. Wouldn’t smartphones be enough for most of the so called photographers? Would a smartphone be enough for you? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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