AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Share #1 Posted January 12, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) So on the M240 there is an advanced metering option where when focusing/metering using the rangefinder Matrix metering is used instead of center-weighted metering. Basically the moment before the exposure happens the shutter opens so the camera can take a reading off the sensor using Matrix metering, then the shutter closes, and then the shutter opens to make the exposure. I was watching a video on the M10 that said it had the same feature, but I'm just seeing three options in my metering modes. My M10 has Matrix metering, Center-weighted, and spot. From what I can tell the Matrix and Spot metering only work in Live-view. It seems like on my M10 that if I have the metering mode set to Matrix metering, but am focusing using the rangefinder, the meter defaults to counterweighted. It doesn't seem like the M10 has this "Advanced" metering option; which I view as a good thing as I don't want my shutter opening just to take a meter reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #2 Posted January 12, 2022 Both the M240 and M10 (as well as prior M iterations) use only center weighted metering when using the RF. Advanced metering options require reading off the sensor, i.e., live view mode. (The M11 apparently will be in constant LV mode, permitting multiple metering options at all times.) Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Both the M240 and M10 (as well as prior M iterations) use only center weighted metering when using the RF. Advanced metering options require reading off the sensor, i.e., live view mode. (The M11 apparently will be in constant LV mode, permitting multiple metering options at all times.) Jeff The M240 has an Advanced Metering option in the menu that when the camera is set to this, and you are focusing using the Rangefinder instead of Live-view, it opens the shutter prior to the exposure (to take a Multi-field meter reading directly off the sensor), then closes the shutter, and then opens the shutter to take the exposure; this is all done while using the Rangefinder to focus without the camera being in Live-view at all. By using this mode on the M240 you get to take Multi-field meter readings while shooting using the rangefinder instead of Live-view to compose and focus your image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #4 Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, AllNoAll said: The M240 has an Advanced Metering option in the menu that when the camera is set to this, and you are focusing using the Rangefinder instead of Live-view, it opens the shutter prior to the exposure (to take a Multi-field meter reading directly off the sensor), then closes the shutter, and then opens the shutter to take the exposure; this is all done while using the Rangefinder to focus without the camera being in Live-view at all. By using this mode on the M240 you get to take Multi-field meter readings while shooting using the rangefinder instead of Live-view to compose and focus your image. But advanced metering is still happening in live view. https://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-M-Type-240-aka-Leica-M10-digital-rangefinder-camera-page-31-lightmetering-white-balance-simplicity.html Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Jeff S said: But advanced metering is still happening in live view. https://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-M-Type-240-aka-Leica-M10-digital-rangefinder-camera-page-31-lightmetering-white-balance-simplicity.html Jeff Well, yes, I guess technically. You don't see it. The reading that is being taken off the sensor prior to exposure is merely a meter reading, and what the sensor is seeing is not displayed on the screen. The only way you really know something is different at all is the Multi-field metering icon is displaced in the image information after-the-fact, and more pertinent the time it takes to make the exposure is approximately doubled, and it sounds different than a Center-weighted exposure using the rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #6 Posted January 12, 2022 RF classic metering is center weighted only. That hasn’t changed. Yet. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted January 12, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 minutes ago, Jeff S said: RF classic metering is center weighted only. That hasn’t changed. Yet. Jeff True. What I'm really trying to confirm is if I have my M10 set to Multi-field metering in the menu, but I'm shooting with the rangefinder, is the image metered off the shutter curtain using centerweighted metering, or instead does it act like the M240 in advanced metering mode where it uses Multi-field metering off the sensor itself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #8 Posted January 12, 2022 As discussed, any metering other than classic center weighted requires reading off the sensor, i.e., live view, whether M240 or M10. Prior CCD sensors without live view capability therefore couldn’t offer these alternative modes. The M11 will offer more. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted January 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jeff S said: As discussed, any metering other than classic center weighted requires reading off the sensor, i.e., live view, whether M240 or M10. Prior CCD sensors without live view capability therefore couldn’t offer these alternative modes. The M11 will offer more. Jeff Hey, Jeff, I'm sorry if I'm being confusing, or if I'm somehow confused. Not really what I am asking. I understand that all meter readings other than classic center-weighted meter readings are taken off the sensor. In advanced metering on the M240 the reading is taken off the sensor, but the camera is not in Live-view; instead the shutter opens up prior to the exposure to take a reading off the sensor for multi-field metering, then the shutter closes, and then the shutter opens back up to take the exposure; in this metering mode on the M240 the camera is never in Live-view when it is taking a reading off the sensor directly. I'm merely trying to confirm, or dismiss, if the M10 acts the same when set to Multi-field metering in the menu and you are shooting using the rangefinder instead of Live-view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #10 Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, AllNoAll said: M240 the reading is taken off the sensor, but the camera is not in Live-view Yes it is, however it gets there. But I no longer have the M240, so I can’t recall the exact implementation. Plus I only use center weighted metering on all my M bodies (since the 80’s, now including the M10), so someone else will have to chime in. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 12, 2022 Share #11 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, AllNoAll said: Hey, Jeff, I'm sorry if I'm being confusing, or if I'm somehow confused. Not really what I am asking. I understand that all meter readings other than classic center-weighted meter readings are taken off the sensor. In advanced metering on the M240 the reading is taken off the sensor, but the camera is not in Live-view; instead the shutter opens up prior to the exposure to take a reading off the sensor for multi-field metering, then the shutter closes, and then the shutter opens back up to take the exposure; in this metering mode on the M240 the camera is never in Live-view when it is taking a reading off the sensor directly. I'm merely trying to confirm, or dismiss, if the M10 acts the same when set to Multi-field metering in the menu and you are shooting using the rangefinder instead of Live-view. The M10 doesn't have non-live view meter modes. Choice of spot, center or matrix in live view. I suppose if you wanted spot or matrix you could just use live view and cover the display while focusing with the rangefinder. Edited January 12, 2022 by charlesphoto99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said: The M10 doesn't have non-live view meter modes. Choice of spot, center or matrix in live view. Now I’m confused for sure. So on the M10 all meter readings are read off the sensor, regardless if you are using live-view or not? Why is there a sensor built into the base of the camera then, and why would the shutter curtains be shades of grey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #13 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AllNoAll said: Now I’m confused for sure. So on the M10 all meter readings are read off the sensor, regardless if you are using live-view or not? Why is there a sensor built into the base of the camera then, and why would the shutter curtains be shades of grey? No, M10 RF is classic metering, not off sensor. M11 will apparently offer full time LV metering. Jeff Edited January 12, 2022 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jeff S said: No, M10 RF is classic metering, not off sensor. M11 will apparently offer full time LV metering. Jeff That’s what I thought. Am I not making sense at all? What I’m asking is…when the M10 is set to Multi-field metering in the camera menu, and you are shooting using the rangefinder (no live-view), does the camera meter off the center-weighted meter in the base of the camera, using light bounced off the shutter curtains, or does it open the shutter to meter off the sensor because you have the camera set to multi-field metering that can only be done using the sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2022 Share #15 Posted January 12, 2022 Any mode other than classic center weighted meters off sensor. Frankly I’ve never checked if it can be accessed without shooting in LV to start, which is why I said someone else will need to comment. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 12, 2022 Share #16 Posted January 12, 2022 M-Type 240 has a menu setting that allows you to use advanced metering without pressing the live view button. When it is set to advanced metering a half press of the shutter button opens the shutter to meter off the sensor. As far as I know that setting went away on the M-10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anakronox Posted January 13, 2022 Share #17 Posted January 13, 2022 Okay, to state it plainly: if you shoot the M10 in rangefinder mode without Live view on, it ONLY meters center-weighted off the shutter curtain. ANY OTHER metering modes are only available in Live View and are read off the sensor with the curtain open. In that scenario, the shutter has to close again before the shot is taken. Hope that answers the OP’s question. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllNoAll Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Anakronox said: Okay, to state it plainly: if you shoot the M10 in rangefinder mode without Live view on, it ONLY meters center-weighted off the shutter curtain. ANY OTHER metering modes are only available in Live View and are read off the sensor with the curtain open. In that scenario, the shutter has to close again before the shot is taken. Hope that answers the OP’s question. Thanks! Perfect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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