So what, M 240's have a weather sealed body

[kivis]

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So what, M 240's have a weather sealed body. Since the Leica lenses are Not weather sealed, why bother with the body? I'm always vulnerable to the weather if the lenses have no weather sealing.

[jdlaing]

There are no electronics in the lenses but the body can use as much as it can get.

[kivis]

3 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

There are no electronics in the lenses but the body can use as much as it can get.

no seal on the M mount of the lens. water can seep into the body.

[jdlaing]

3 minutes ago, kivis said:

no seal on the M mount of the lens. water can seep into the body.

Not very easily. Weather sealed is kind of a misnomer. They are splash and dust resistant to a certain IP degree.

Edited November 12, 2021 by jdlaing

[kivis]

1 minute ago, jdlaing said:

Not very easily. Weather sealed is kind of a misnomer. They are splash and dust resistant to a certain IP degree.

This would be news to me. please provide source that Leica lenses are splash and dust resistant to a certain IP degree.

[Herr Barnack]

To the best of my knowledge, the M240 and the M lenses have never been claimed to be weather sealed or waterproof by Leica.

I have used my M cameras in "spritzing" type light rain with no ill effects.  When it gets to be a more steady rain, I am more careful with the amount of time I let them be exposed to the rain.

Using common sense and erring on the side of safety (for the camera and lens) is the key.

As for the IP ratings, I have never heard/read one being stated for M cameras and lenses by Leica.  The Q2 is another story as it is known to have an IP rating of 52, meaning that it is protected against "dust and spraywater."

Edited November 12, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[jdlaing]

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6 minutes ago, kivis said:

This would be news to me. please provide source that Leica lenses are splash and dust resistant to a certain IP degree.

Leica lenses are not but some of the M digitals have gasketed openings on the body. If I’m not mistaken the M 10 was the first to actually be shared by Leica to be splash and dust resistant. The M 240’s had gasketed openings but Leica will never state an IP rating based on no gasket on the lens mount. I’ve had mine in the rain with no I’ll effects.

[kivis]

17 minutes ago, kivis said:

no seal on the M mount of the lens. water can seep into the body.

So the comment still stands.

 

50 minutes ago, kivis said:

Since the Leica lenses are Not weather sealed, why bother with the body? I'm always vulnerable to the weather if the lenses have no weather sealing.

And this comment still stands.

[kivis]

Yes a small spritz has never been a problem. But we ain't talking Pentax proof.

https://petapixel.com/2016/03/21/testing-pentax-k-1-mud-shower/

[jdlaing]

2 minutes ago, kivis said:

So the comment still stands.

 

And this comment still stands.

My comment still stands as well. In electronics I’ll take all the extra help with sealing I can get.

[jdlaing]

Buy a Pentax then.

[kivis]

 

1 minute ago, jdlaing said:

My comment still stands as well. In electronics I’ll take all the extra help with sealing I can get.

True but I guess there is weather sealing and then there is weather sealing.

[kivis]

Really every manufacturer has figured this out. So my question is why doesn't Leica at least provide a mount seal on their lenses. It would help a lot.

[jdlaing]

Just now, kivis said:

 

True but I guess there is weather sealing and then there is weather sealing.

There is splash and dust resistant, weather sealing and then there is tempested. That means water and dust proof at many different levels.

[jdlaing]

4 minutes ago, kivis said:

Really every manufacturer has figured this out. So my question is why doesn't Leica at least provide a mount seal on their lenses. It would help a lot.

The whole lens would need sealing and not just the mount. Too many other points of ingress besides the mount on many legacy lenses.

[kivis]

Quote from Leica concerning the M 240 body, "Specially designed rubber seals protect the camera body against splashes, moisture, dust and bad weather conditions." Just to set the record straight.

[cboy]

To my knowledge the only leica can reliably  be said to be waterproof is the leica xu typ 113. 

No matter what ipx rated device or seemingly weather resistant body it may be, whilst it may be ok with a slight drizzle of invasive weather, theyre all susceptible however to pervasive weather. Condensation will  inevitably rot out the camera from the inside...so dont throw caution to the wind by trusting seals will last.

Just saying but do as you please.

 

[LocalHero1953]

The M mount spec dates from the early 50s. There have been threads here about light leaks through it during long exposures. Whatever they do to a body to make it weather resistant, the mount and lens (especially older ones) will be vulnerable.

The SL was stated to be weather resistant at launch, along with its lenses, and you can see the seals on the mount - much easier to do when you're starting from scratch.

I remember the talk at launch about the M240 having improved weather resistance, but I don't recall it ever being sold as "weather resistant" let alone "weather- or water proof". The quotes about special seals are consistent with this, and not the same as claiming that the body is weather sealed as a whole. I took mine into the dense spume arising from Dettifoss in Iceland; it got soaked (along with the Apo-Summicron-M 90) without any consequences, but of course I wiped it down afterwards.

I don't trust claims of weather-sealing or weather-proofing unless there is a statement about the standard to which it has been manufactured. Even then you need to know your way among the IP standards and what they mean.

Edited November 13, 2021 by LocalHero1953

[Adam Bonn]

Splash proof is a level of saturation far less than total immersion.

It’s better than nothing, but IMO closer to nothing than something.

How wet does your camera get in the rain? Well how much is it raining?!

IIRC Leica made no claims about moisture resistance on the M8/9, the claim on the 240 (posted above) is the same with the M10, but the rubber gasket on the base plate of the 10 appears to be beefier than the 240 one.

Many users have anecdotal evidence of using xyz camera in adc levels of rain/water without issue, but sadly the issue caused with slight water ingress is not always immediate…

Find your own personal level to risk aversion and act accordingly.

Be careful with any splash proof camera that doesn’t adhere to a certified standard, and if it does make sure you understand what that standard actually means in real world usage terms.

None of the above points to an M being a great choice for those that like to do things where their cameras are highly likely to get splashed..

Equally, if Leica have stuck a rubber gasket under the shutter button etc and that stops water getting when it suddenly starts raining and ‘you’ say shit and put your camera away then that’s not a bad thing and better it’s there than not

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On 11/12/2021 at 9:01 PM, kivis said:

So my question is why doesn't Leica at least provide a mount seal on their lenses. It would help a lot

I'm not sure it would.  The aperture and focus rings would also need sealing of some kind.  The M mount range would have to be significantly re-engineered, and I just don't see the demand for this.

As already suggested, if weather resistance is such an important priority just go with a Pentax or other brand that you have confience in.