Tom1234 Posted October 25, 2021 Share #1  Posted October 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I own Voigtlander 75mm 2.5 and 95mm 3.5 oldest first versions of these lenses that are small and lite.  So what are  the best of the Voigtlander line in lite lenses to carry with the 75mm and 95mm that I already have, but NOT having harsh bokeh?  I need matching 50mm, 35mm, 28mm, 21mm lenses with a classic look. Want lite weight lenses - not the 2.0 APO or 1.2 piggy lenses Do not want harsh nervous geometric bokeh.  The 40mmm 1.4's have harsh bokeh.  The 35mm 1.7 has harsh bokeh.  The 50mm 1.5 has harsh swirl bokeh (I hear it makes babies cry) - but the FIRST version screw mount  MAY NOT have swirl bokeh?  Does anyone know about the version 1 screw mount 50mm 1.5 and its bokeh? What about the 28's and other 35's and 50's? The two places you see harsh bokeh is on leaves of trees in a far background or city lights in the far background.    Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted October 25, 2021 Share #2 Â Posted October 25, 2021 I really love the bokeh on the 40mm f 1.4 nokton Its not harsh or nervous to my eyes just beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share #3 Â Posted October 26, 2021 Steve: Â Do you have some pictures with small lights in the background or outside with foliage in the background - especially either at a long distance from the in-focus front subject? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share #4 Â Posted October 26, 2021 Off to bed, will reply more tomorrow... thanks for all the input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share #5 Â Posted October 26, 2021 56 minutes ago, Tom1234 said: Steve: Â Do you have some pictures with small lights in the background or outside with foliage in the background - especially either at a long distance from the in-focus front subject? Time its time by the british band "Talk talk" music video by shane filer .....thats the bokeh i get with the 40mm nokton . youtube Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 26, 2021 Share #6 Â Posted October 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Tom1234 said: I need matching 50mm, 35mm, 28mm, 21mm lenses with a classic look. 50/2.5, 35/1.4 SC, 21/4. 28 i don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 26, 2021 Share #7  Posted October 26, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I shall start with the NOKTON classic 1,4/40 ser# 9510615 f 1,4 on M9 : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Crop:  f 2:  Crop:  I like the bokeh of the NOKTON ... ---   Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Crop:  f 2:  Crop:  I like the bokeh of the NOKTON ... ---   ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325721-voigtlander-vm-which-have-best-not-nervous-bokeh-of-small-lite-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4300055'>More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share #8 Â Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) Exactly what I needed to see! Â 1,000 thanks Crony! Edited October 26, 2021 by Tom1234 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 27, 2021 Share #9  Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Hi, another lens which might fit the bill VOIGTLÄNDER Ultron 2/28 ser#8110536 (with the ruler) all pics at f 2 :  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!         Edited October 27, 2021 by crony addition 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!         ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325721-voigtlander-vm-which-have-best-not-nervous-bokeh-of-small-lite-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4300982'>More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share #10  Posted October 27, 2021 Crony: Yes, I think the Voigt 28/2 is for me.  Thanks for the pictures which "tell all" as they say, better than just comments, though comments help too. QUESTION: Is it Asperical?  I think it is NOT which I like for smoother rendition. What do you think? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share #11  Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 4:05 AM, crony said: Hi, I shall start with the NOKTON classic 1,4/40 ser# 9510615 f 1,4 on M9 :   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Crop:  f 2:  Crony: Is there a way to lesson the edge of the light circles above?  Like smear it more? Or is there a way to frame and position to make it less exciting.? I realize it has its place but also sometimes I don't want it.  Some Leica lenses do this too.  With your experience I bet you have an good comment on technique here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 28, 2021 Share #12  Posted October 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Tom1234 said: Crony: Yes, I think the Voigt 28/2 is for me.  Thanks for the pictures which "tell all" as they say, better than just comments, though comments help too. QUESTION: Is it Asperical?  I think it is NOT which I like for smoother rendition. What do you think? Hi, it is non-aspherical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 28, 2021 Share #13  Posted October 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Tom1234 said: Crony: Is there a way to lesson the edge of the light circles above?  Like smear it more? Or is there a way to frame and position to make it less exciting.? I realize it has its place but also sometimes I don't want it.  Some Leica lenses do this too.  With your experience I bet you have an good comment on technique here. Actually, I have never tried bokeh-ball tuning before. I played with contrast and microcontrast setting in DXO: Contrast minimal : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Microcontrast minimal :  Contrast and microcontrast minimal : I have never done this before ... Whenever you start tweaking, this will have side effects. For me, bokeh balls are a background phenomenon. I like them smooth, and without onion-rings... ---     Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Microcontrast minimal :  Contrast and microcontrast minimal : I have never done this before ... Whenever you start tweaking, this will have side effects. For me, bokeh balls are a background phenomenon. I like them smooth, and without onion-rings... ---     ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325721-voigtlander-vm-which-have-best-not-nervous-bokeh-of-small-lite-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4301378'>More sharing options...
lct Posted October 28, 2021 Share #14 Â Posted October 28, 2021 Problem with bokeh balls with sharp edges, they are not in the background anymore. Old CV issue but they are not alone. Some photogs like that apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 28, 2021 Share #15  Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, lct said: Problem with bokeh balls with sharp edges, they are not in the background anymore. Old CV issue but they are not alone. Some photogs like that apparently. Hi, this is not a serious problem, for me. I can simply take a lens with nicer bokeh balls such as the LEITZ Summicron 2/35 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share #16 Â Posted October 28, 2021 11 hours ago, crony said: Actually, I have never tried bokeh-ball tuning before. I played with contrast and microcontrast setting in DXO: Â have never done this before ... Whenever you start tweaking, this will have side effects. For me, bokeh balls are a background phenomenon. I like them smooth, and without onion-rings... --- Â Â Â Â How are you liking DXO? Â I almost bought it last year. Â Since I dislike Photoshops complexity so much, I thought I would try and use a Raw Processor like DXO to crop and adjust, if the basic features were there. Â Photoshop to me is a "reconstruction" package and I want the least affects possible to avoid that electronic look. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crony Posted October 28, 2021 Share #17  Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Tom1234 said: How are you liking DXO?  I almost bought it last year. ...  Hi, I have used DxO for several years, and I am quite happy with it for Leica RAWs. (For JPEGs I use photoshop elements.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share #18  Posted October 28, 2021 8 hours ago, lct said: Problem with bokeh balls with sharp edges, they are not in the background anymore. Old CV issue but they are not alone. Some photogs like that apparently. Insightful brilliant comment Lct… harsh bokeh in the background brings it to the foreground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted October 28, 2021 Share #19  Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tom1234 said: Insightful brilliant comment Lct… harsh bokeh in the background brings it to the foreground. Perhaps rather than “nervous” bokeh we could call it “pushy” bokeh? Or maybe “shouty”.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share #20  Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NigelG said: Perhaps rather than “nervous” bokeh we could call it “pushy” bokeh? Or maybe “shouty”.. Many great names for it… It is like a little kid screaming & yelling in the room that you can not suppress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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