M10-P discontinued?

[Crem]

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I just received an email from BH Photo (big USA retailer) that the M10-P (black chrome) is now discontinued. This is the first I've heard of this. Any idea if it's true?

[RMF]

Their website does show it as discontinued as well.  Sad news as it’s such a perfect camera for my use.

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 11, 2021 by RMF

[Leicaiste]

The M11 is coming, that’s all. 

[Al Brown]

Someone from Leica Shop should also confirm this (they are 100% Wetzlar owned).

[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, Crem said:

I just received an email from BH Photo (big USA retailer) that the M10-P (black chrome) is now discontinued. This is the first I've heard of this. Any idea if it's true?

Discontinued by BH Photovideo.

Do you see anywhere on this page that any of these are discontinued?

https://leicacamerausa.com/photography/leica-m/m-cameras/digital/?utm_source=Corporate_Website&utm_medium=buyNowButton&utm_campaign=leicaCorporateSite&utm_content=Shop-Now

[tobey bilek]

I ordered a chrome M10P to replace my corroded M9 on the exchange program.  Waited 4 months and never ever got a promise.   Leica Miami gave me M10R from stock (not free).

So I guess they are out of black now.

[wizard]

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vor 19 Stunden schrieb Crem:

Any idea if it's true?

Yes, that is true. When I was in Wetzlar on the first weekend of September this year to attend a meeting of Leica friends, I wanted to rent an M10P from Leica directly at their premises, but was told they are no longer available. Took an M10R instead, and was very pleased. Great camera!

The M11 will be launched November 11, 2021, so no wonder the M10P is discontinued.

[wizard]

vor 22 Minuten schrieb blackpaint-R:

Probably maybe.

It is already in production.

[Herr Barnack]

Hopefully the black paint M10R will become available in the U.S. before it is also discontinued.

[grahamc]

19 hours ago, blackpaint-R said:

Just time to retire all 24MP Leicas.

 😢 I only just got one ! 

:p

[Tailwagger]

On 10/12/2021 at 10:59 AM, blackpaint-R said:

I’m sure it is. Whether they can launch them this year. Who knows.

I'm sure they could if they cared to, but with subsequent intros after the lengthy M10 wait, Leica seems to have preferred to hold release until there's sufficient... whatever that means... supply.  This undoubtedly was the case with the M10-R.  Makes little sense to annoy the customer base by announcing in Nov. and delivering to the end of the waitlist the better part of a year later. 

[scott kirkpatrick]

1 hour ago, blackpaint-R said:

it is definitely time to retire all the 24MP Leica cameras. 

I'm in no hurry to relieve my M10-D of duty.

[Pixeleater]

1 hour ago, blackpaint-R said:

I got one a month ago. I would’ve kept it but it had some sensor issues. I decided to just buy new. I never bought used before and bingo. Issues. And so the one new now is the 10-R and I went all out and got the most expensive of course. Might as well. 
 

now I see the new sensor blows away the m10 24mp one. I was enjoying the rangefinder experience. I also liked the raw files from the lenses. Not over processed like Fuji jpegs. However, I didn’t feel that for all the money I paid I was getting really a huge jump in overall IQ. My Fuji 56f1.2 with the 26MP XPro3 gave some amazing results and I couldn’t see how my M10-P was so much better being such an expensive full frame camera. 
 

well… NOW I see it. The files from the 10-R really make the files from the M10 24MP sensor look dated. APS-C Fuji files are just as good as the M10 at this point. 
 

it is definitely time to retire all the 24MP Leica cameras. 

Sorry, it’s not time to retire the 24MP models. Whether it’s the SL2-S or the M10-P, both are great cameras and available on the Leica US site.

[grahamc]

2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

I'm in no hurry to relieve my M10-D of duty.

Me neither - not going to happen !

[grahamc]

One of the things I love about my 10-D is the size of the files - quick to transfer and work on versus my my Sony A7RIV for example, which is 61MP .  Actually very noticeable in terms of transfer time and also space taken up on drives, etc etc 

I have no doubt the 10R , and future Leicas, have/will have amazing IQ from the larger files - but I also really enjoy this aspect of my current Leica camera. 

Granted, I expect that (if rumoured specs are true) the 11 onwards will have a choice of file sizes you shoot with .  But I have absolutely no issue with what I'm shooting with, especially as it's the D, which may not come around again - let's see

[grahamc]

4 hours ago, blackpaint-R said:

I got one a month ago. I would’ve kept it but it had some sensor issues. I decided to just buy new. I never bought used before and bingo. Issues. And so the one new now is the 10-R and I went all out and got the most expensive of course. Might as well. 
 

now I see the new sensor blows away the m10 24mp one. I was enjoying the rangefinder experience. I also liked the raw files from the lenses. Not over processed like Fuji jpegs. However, I didn’t feel that for all the money I paid I was getting really a huge jump in overall IQ. My Fuji 56f1.2 with the 26MP XPro3 gave some amazing results and I couldn’t see how my M10-P was so much better being such an expensive full frame camera. 
 

well… NOW I see it. The files from the 10-R really make the files from the M10 24MP sensor look dated. APS-C Fuji files are just as good as the M10 at this point. 
 

it is definitely time to retire all the 24MP Leica cameras. 

I'm glad you are happy, the M10R BP must be lovely.  I don't doubt the 10R is amazing - all feedback I've read is glowing.  Of topic slightly but the Sony A7iv resolution is amazing so I can imagine how the 10R is a new world.

Although I don't agree however that the latest fuji cropped sensor (I have one) holds a candle to the M10 though .  The files lack depth and the camera feels like toy in comparison 

Edited October 14, 2021 by grahamc

[ianman]

On 10/12/2021 at 4:24 PM, wizard said:

The M11 will be launched November 11, 2021

They told you this? I know it's been the rumour but I find it difficult to believe they would be make such a blunder.

Edited October 14, 2021 by ianman

[grahamc]

16 minutes ago, blackpaint-R said:

Yes I’m just talking about the files. The raw I was getting from the pro 3 using the 56f1.2 were amazing. It felt like an improvement going full frame with the 10-P but it wasn’t the monumental change I thought for what I was paying. That changed with the 10-R. 

True I can understand that for sure it must be great 

[wizard]

vor einer Stunde schrieb ianman:

They told you this?

They told me that the M10P is no longer being manufactured, and that it will only take "a little more time" until the M11 will be released. They did not officially confirm the November 11 date, but I'll take that for granted.

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[wizard]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb blackpaint-R:

If we go by rumors the latest is that it’s delayed until 2022.

Let's wait and see. My take is that Leica will present the M11 on November 11, but that it may be available only next year, once they have sourced enough parts. In any case, the M11 is just an evolution of the M10R, not an entirely new camera.