I did a direct comparison using my m10p against m9p, here is what I found. {merged}

[JimmyCheng]

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Short answer: I think yes!

I did shoot quite a few shots including outdoor and indoor scenes as well as portraits, enjoy!

 

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[JimmyCheng]

I have taken a lot of shots and tried my best to include multiple scenarios (indoor, outdoor and portraits). 

All photos are SOOC jpgs with color saturation set to high (I tried standard but the color looked washed out to my taste, especially on the m9p)

enjoy:

 

[Ray Vonn]

I’m not sure it is to many people and that’s fine, if you’re like that then you don’t have to engage in all the issues that arise from owning a CCD rangefinder.  It’s subjective, so if you don’t see any difference that’s a good thing. The problem with me is that, to my own eyes, I do see that difference. 

[JimmyCheng]

5 minutes ago, Ray Vonn said:

I’m not sure it is to many people and that’s fine, if you’re like that then you don’t have to engage in all the issues that arise from owning a CCD rangefinder.  It’s subjective, so if you don’t see any difference that’s a good thing. The problem with me is that, to my own eyes, I do see that difference. 

I do prefer the files from the m9p as I said. But as a complete package, and also considering the ccd issues and current market price for a good copy of m9, I would recommend the m10 series more.

[Infantasy]

Good comparison. I had a M9 before and now own a M10P. I also miss the rendering of M9 and sometimes like to tune the output more saturation to emulate the color of M9 but not really similar as I don't have them together for adjustment in LR. Grateful if you can take some scenes and share a preset for M10P to make it similar to M9 in LR. Alternatively,  can you share the DNG files in your video for both M9 and M10P to let me make the preset. Thanks.

[robsonj]

17 minutes ago, Infantasy said:

Good comparison. I had a M9 before and now own a M10P. I also miss the rendering of M9 and sometimes like to tune the output more saturation to emulate the color of M9 but not really similar as I don't have them together for adjustment in LR. Grateful if you can take some scenes and share a preset for M10P to make it similar to M9 in LR. Alternatively,  can you share the DNG files in your video for both M9 and M10P to let me make the preset. Thanks.

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[Ray Vonn]

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29 minutes ago, JimmyCheng said:

I do prefer the files from the m9p as I said. But as a complete package, and also considering the ccd issues and current market price for a good copy of m9, I would recommend the m10 series more.

You’re certainly in the majority and yes, I do understand why most people would prefer the ”complete package” of the M10.

[elmars]

Many differences in the photos may not be caused by the different sensors but by the different jpg-engines and - more important -  by different white balance. 

[jaapv]

Nice. However, I would have loved to see “best processed” images too; the M9 JPG output did not exactly set the world on fire, in fact many found it rather so-so compared to the capabilities of the camera in DNG. The M10 gets a better press. And you are comparing JPG engines together with sensors.

[otto.f]

3 hours ago, elmars said:

Many differences in the photos may not be caused by the different sensors but by the different jpg-engines and - more important -  by different white balance. 

Could well be, only thing is that you get it in a package deal which cannot by separated convincingly thus far.

[Denys]

Very interesting - thanks for posting! Some differences between the models as you point out, but I think it is important to be clear that if a second-generation sensor has been fitted - and that’s not difficult to establish - there should be no worries whatsoever about sensor corrosion in M9 or M9-P.

[elmars]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb otto.f:

Could well be, only thing is that you get it in a package deal which cannot by separated convincingly thus far.

You can make a fixed or a manual white balance. 

[jaapv]

Please do not start multiple threads with exactly the same content.

[jaapv]

24 minutes ago, otto.f said:

Could well be, only thing is that you get it in a package deal which cannot by separated convincingly thus far.

I can - if you use DNG.

[pgk]

7 hours ago, JimmyCheng said:

All photos are SOOC jpgs .....

Which is a bit like testing two supercars at 30mph in that it doesn't really tell you anything about how they can actually perform.

[pedaes]

8 hours ago, JimmyCheng said:

All photos are SOOC jpgs with color saturation set to high

 

Nice video and bit of fun! Pleased to hear you shoot RAW though.

 

Edited July 3, 2021 by pedaes

[JimmyCheng]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Nice. However, I would have loved to see “best processed” images too; the M9 JPG output did not exactly set the world on fire, in fact many found it rather so-so compared to the capabilities of the camera in DNG. The M10 gets a better press. And you are comparing JPG engines together with sensors.

True, but if I do DNG, I can pretty much match the two (which is usually what I do), that’s why I thought it would be more fun with Jpegs

[JimmyCheng]

2 hours ago, pgk said:

Which is a bit like testing two supercars at 30mph in that it doesn't really tell you anything about how they can actually perform.

Because there are speed limits I don’t wanna break 😝

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[JimmyCheng]

2 hours ago, Denys said:

Very interesting - thanks for posting! Some differences between the models as you point out, but I think it is important to be clear that if a second-generation sensor has been fitted - and that’s not difficult to establish - there should be no worries whatsoever about sensor corrosion in M9 or M9-P.

I’ve heard several complaints about their newer generation sensor gets corrupted. Even Leica said “highly unlikely”, so I don’t wanna rule out the slight possibilities.

But yes, in general, the new sensor is pretty safe. 

[pedaes]

13 minutes ago, JimmyCheng said:

I’ve heard several complaints about their newer generation sensor gets corrupted

We need precision here. Are you talking about the later version of the 'new' sensor that was not made by Kodak, or the early replacements when Leica used stock of the original sensor?

I have not seen reports of problems with the later sensor which was manufactured to a revised specification, but there is certainly cases where Leica changed the original sensor a second time.

My own sensor was replaced because of a cracked cover glass, not because of 'corrosion'.

Perhaps another comparison - original Kodak CCD versus later non-Kodak CCD (joke!).