capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #121 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: Until someone else refines their style within those constraints to seperate their work from the also-rans. This is what I saw in Ben's work at the Spring Fair. During my time as a judge for professional awards and qualifications I've seen it happen across many different genres of photography from newborn, wedding, portrait, landscape, event, industrial, product photography etc. in the galleries they show photos with philosophy. The rest is beauty for beauty's sake. Primitive and boring. All the pictures are banal. You put a smiley face on my previous message. Now you're talking about it yourself? Ops. Most likely you are talking about the subtleties between banal pictures Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #122 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) If you understand this, you no longer have a choice between lenses. You sell everything you don't need and take a photo for yourself. There are no great philosophers among us who can show smart photography Making a smart photo for the gallery is incredibly difficult. This is the second reason why I left one lens on Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted May 20, 2021 Share #123 Posted May 20, 2021 I love lens choices. I am using M lenses between 11 (fisheye) and 135 mm on my Leica M cameras. Every frame line is used, too. But most often I stick to 35 and 50 mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 20, 2021 Share #124 Posted May 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said: in the galleries they show photos with philosophy. This has the potential to become far too pretentious. Would you like to link to some of these apparently ugly but not banal images please? And perhaps you would like to explain exactly what a photo with philosophy is? I have absolutely no doubt that there was a philosophy behind Ansel Adams' photographs. You may not appreciate the philosophy nor its effects but there still was one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #125 Posted May 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, pgk said: This has the potential to become far too pretentious. Would you like to link to some of these apparently ugly but not banal images please? And perhaps you would like to explain exactly what a photo with philosophy is? I have absolutely no doubt that there was a philosophy behind Ansel Adams' photographs. You may not appreciate the philosophy nor its effects but there still was one. Smart photography is an illustration of a philosophical idea. This is a series of photos. Project. They can show the same bush as yours. But it's not pointless. For example, one photographer recreated a photo of something he once saw. He dug the same hole. And he tried to explain his philosophical idea. Another photographer tried to break all the laws of painting. (by the way, this is not possible) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #126 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Philosophical photography + all the laws of painting + all the tricks of cinema + banality. That's what made me turn off the camera. Many of us will not be able to use the laws of painting. Not to mention the other points Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted May 20, 2021 Share #127 Posted May 20, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said: All shoot standard and banal pictures I strongly and respectfully disagree! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #128 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ianman said: I strongly and respectfully disagree! google it. Any photo. Search by images or tags Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobram Posted May 20, 2021 Share #129 Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said: Philosophical photography + all the laws of painting + all the tricks of cinema + banality. That's what made me turn off the camera. Sorry mate, but I can't follow you anymore. Please post photos/links... Maybe with real examples we could understand your message (lost in translation). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted May 20, 2021 Share #130 Posted May 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said: google it Sorry I’m lost. What should I be searching for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masukami Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share #131 Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/a9/98/e3a99858e02fa8de0367db2f9217e780.jpg This is one of my jobs. In addition, during the isolation, I did not waste time and studied the great masters of painting, cinema, and photography @capo di tutti capi you've expressed some very strong (and inflexible opinions), with little respect for different opinions shared by other people. Until the above post, the only image examples you have given to support your opinions are a couple of screenshots from a film and a reference to a photographic technique (the Brenizer Method) which has very little relevance to this thread. When you were asked to share a website that shows your professional work you replied with the mysterious comment "Like I said before. If you know all the tricks and tricks of the great masters. You will stop taking pictures". Finally, you share a single product shot of a couple of watches. As a claimed professional photographer, I would have thought it would be easy for you to share at least a website to give some examples of your work that support your strong opinions. Clearly, you are not obliged to share anything, but based on all the above (and the fact your forum account name when translated into English means 'boss of all the bosses'), I can no longer take seriously what you write. As a keen amateur photographer, I started this thread in the hope of having an interesting discussion that I could learn from. Now, when I read it from the start, I see it has been hijacked by a lot of noise and no substance. That's a pity. 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #132 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Masukami said: @capo di tutti capi вы выразили несколько очень сильных (и негибких мнений), не уважая мнения других людей. До публикации выше единственные примеры изображений, которые вы привели в подтверждение своего мнения, - это пара скриншотов из фильма и ссылка на фотографическую технику (метод Бренизера), которая имеет очень мало отношения к этой теме. Когда вас попросили поделиться сайтом, демонстрирующим вашу профессиональную работу, вы ответили таинственным комментарием: «Как я уже говорил. Если вы знаете все уловки и уловки великих мастеров. Вы перестанете фотографировать». Наконец, вы делитесь снимком одного продукта из пары часов. Как заявленный профессиональный фотограф, я бы подумал, что вам будет легко поделиться хотя бы веб-сайтом, чтобы привести несколько примеров своей работы, подтверждающих ваше твердое мнение. Ясно, что вы не обязаны чем-либо делиться, но, исходя из всего вышеперечисленного (и того факта, что имя вашей учетной записи на форуме в переводе на английский означает «босс всех боссов»), я больше не могу серьезно относиться к тому, что вы пишете. Как заядлый фотограф-любитель, я начал эту ветку в надежде провести интересную дискуссию, из которой я мог бы извлечь уроки. Теперь, когда я читаю его с самого начала, я вижу, что он был захвачен большим количеством шума и никакого содержания. Какая жалость. My first forum post included links to my site. Removed administrations for advertising. Obviously, you can't use such links. I have always respected the flexibility of the Japanese. I can create photography lessons, but you can't use pictures from movies here. Other sites advertise non-leica equipment. I also can't give you links. Sorry Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 20, 2021 Share #133 Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 3:44 AM, Masukami said: My goodness! I asked an innocent question and I appear to have incited a riot... It's not the first time. In these parts if a thread goes long enough, verbal fisticuffs are a given. Welcome to the forum, I guess - and don't forget to duck. 😳 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #134 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Malevich's painting "Black Square" is a point in the development of art. He gathered all the pictures of the world into one. This is philosophy in art Photography is also a fine art. Learn to take photos with meaning. It's incredibly difficult. I warned you that you would put the camera up for sale. Who wants to make pictures for the sake of beauty? It's primitive Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted May 20, 2021 Share #135 Posted May 20, 2021 Something something…sound and fury, signifying nothing…something something… 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted May 20, 2021 Share #136 Posted May 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, Masukami said: @capo di tutti capi you've expressed some very strong (and inflexible opinions), with little respect for different opinions shared by other people. Until the above post, the only image examples you have given to support your opinions are a couple of screenshots from a film and a reference to a photographic technique (the Brenizer Method) which has very little relevance to this thread. When you were asked to share a website that shows your professional work you replied with the mysterious comment "Like I said before. If you know all the tricks and tricks of the great masters. You will stop taking pictures". Finally, you share a single product shot of a couple of watches. As a claimed professional photographer, I would have thought it would be easy for you to share at least a website to give some examples of your work that support your strong opinions. Clearly, you are not obliged to share anything, but based on all the above (and the fact your forum account name when translated into English means 'boss of all the bosses'), I can no longer take seriously what you write. As a keen amateur photographer, I started this thread in the hope of having an interesting discussion that I could learn from. Now, when I read it from the start, I see it has been hijacked by a lot of noise and no substance. That's a pity. I agree with all of this and, believe me, I have been very, very tempted to say what I really think of some of the posts on your thread. However, beyond the brief satisfaction of shoving my own opinion of one contributor down his throat, it wouldn’t add a lot to what otherwise could be an interesting discussion. I hope you can find something of value in some of the other posts here, your thread deserves a reasoned discussion as, despite several decades as a full time professional, it isn’t a concept I’d previously considered. I look forwards to more of your posts and will follow your journey with interest. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 20, 2021 Share #137 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said: Learn to take photos with meaning. Why? Some may want to do so, others may not. It an end goal for some, maybe, but not the end goal for all. Photography is a broad church. Illustrative photography is just one aspect of it. As for repetition, well its a bit like suggesting that every story has already been told. Its neither accurate nor true. Edited May 20, 2021 by pgk typo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR120 Posted May 20, 2021 Share #138 Posted May 20, 2021 If you show one photo to ten people - you get ten different opinions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masukami Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share #139 Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ouroboros said: I agree with all of this and, believe me, I have been very, very tempted to say what I really think of some of the posts on your thread. However, beyond the brief satisfaction of shoving my own opinion of one contributor down his throat, it wouldn’t add a lot to what otherwise could be an interesting discussion. I hope you can find something of value in some of the other posts here, your thread deserves a reasoned discussion as, despite several decades as a full time professional, it isn’t a concept I’d previously considered. I look forwards to more of your posts and will follow your journey with interest. Thank you. There were still a lot of interesting posts amongst all the noise. Looking back, I would have phrased my original post differently, but I am only able to say that because of the various contributions to the thread itself, so it has still been helpful. Perhaps I'll try again, but not today. I think we all need a rest! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo di tutti capi Posted May 20, 2021 Share #140 Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pgk said: Why? Some may want to do so, others may not. It an end goal for some, maybe, but not the end goal for all. Photography is a broad church. Illustrative photography is just one aspect of it. As for repetition, well its a bit like suggesting that every story hasalready been told. Its neither accurate nor true. The script of Hollywood movies is similar. A young man. Learns his mission. He's not ready. The mentor appears. The final battle. The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Aelita, etc. It's interesting to watch until you realize that this is all the standard way Edited May 20, 2021 by capo di tutti capi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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