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5 minutes ago, oldwino said:

Please do yourself the favor of checking out Saul Leiter's work. I mean, if you can find the time between all of the "important photos" you are busy making.

"I may be old-fashioned. But I believe there is such a thing as a search for beauty – a delight in the nice things in the world. And I don’t think one should have to apologize for it.”

+1. Sounds like our colleague Capo feels difficult to comprehend that not everybody feels or thinks the same way as he does. For some people beauty is above all. I have artists like that around me. They give me the feeling to live on another planet from time to time but there is always something to learn from people different from us. 

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Many became famous because, for example, they discovered perspective in the visual arts. Lorenzetti. Bandonne. They didn't know how to draw heads before. This does not mean that we should not go forward. So it is with famous photographers. What used to be unusual has become ordinary.

The connection between the lenses? Seriously?!?!?!

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15 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

What used to be unusual has become ordinary.

This has always been the case. Always. Until it isn’t, suddenly. That’s the way the world works. COVID is the obvious recent example.

I’d bet that someone in the Lascaux caves, 100,000 years ago, had exclaimed, “ANOTHER GALLOPING HORSE?? Come on, Bob, draw us something new!”

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9 minutes ago, oldwino said:

This has always been the case. Always. Until it isn’t, suddenly. That’s the way the world works. COVID is the obvious recent example.

I’d bet that someone in the Lascaux caves, 100,000 years ago, had exclaimed, “ANOTHER GALLOPING HORSE?? Come on, Bob, draw us something new!”

It is good that there is such a person.

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2 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

What used to be unusual has become ordinary.

And yet you post photos claimed to be from your teachers for which insipid and predictable watch advertising cr*p are the kindest words I can find to describe them.

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24 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Many became famous because, for example, they discovered perspective in the visual arts. Lorenzetti. Bandonne. They didn't know how to draw heads before. This does not mean that we should not go forward.

Sure but provided we know what we're doing. Remember you posted two portraits of the same model some time ago, one with a 50mm and the other one with a 21mm lens. You preferred the 21mm pic and when i said that i preferred the 50mm you suspected that it may come from the light. Perspective was obviously different there but you did not seem to perceive it or, at least, to believe that anybody can see it. Different tastes, different ways of seeing beauty.

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Just now, capo di tutti capi said:

I know how to manage perspective. And I know a lot of things. I think I've proved it enough. Through the portrait, the clock, the artists ' techniques. I would have told you more.

No need to tell. Just show.

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@capo di tutti capi

Perhaps your standpoint lies on the different aspects from the same context of art creativities.
Your alleged art logic is lingering on the layers of images, and it's more often similar to the royalty-free stock images where we can find it on the internet such as Shutterstock.com or else.
And, the OP or most of us is under discussion base on the focal length and the consistency of photos created accordingly.
Do you notice the great divide of the thread lines approach?

If that is the case, I'd like to politely suggest you keep your dialogues under the post-process subforum.

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11 minutes ago, Erato said:

@capo di tutti capi

Perhaps your standpoint likes on the different aspects from the same context of art creativities.
Your logic allegedly art is lingering on the layers of images, and it's more often similar to the royalty-free stock images where we can find it on the internet such as Shutterstock.com or else.
And, the OP or most of us is under discussion base on the focal length and the consistency of photos created accordingly.
Do you notice the great divide of the thread lines approach?

If that is the case, I'd like to politely suggest you keep your dialogues under the post-process subforum.

I still stick to this topic, don't you see the connection? To talk about the lens ratio, you need to understand how lenses work. The work differs by 180 degrees. We don't know how a person uses a lens. Like a great director or a tourist on vacation. We also don't know who's asking. A great director or tourist. We can only guess. As it turned out, there are several artists here. Why not?

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3 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Imagine a shooting situation. One of them will photograph the concert at 300 mm. Despite the approach, the viewer feels a distance from what is happening. The other makes a 10-millimeter shot right under the double bass. The viewer is inside the stage. Inside the event. What kind of connection between the lenses can we talk about if a person with 300 mm does not even know how to use these lenses. He wanted to bring the viewer closer. But he did the opposite.

Too bad he could have shown the huge bottom of the double bassist with an UWA lens :D. Just kidding. Not everybody likes UWA lenses for people. 

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