Battery compatibiliy

[analog-digital]

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1. Is the battery of the S2 the same as the S 006?

2. Therefore is the Leica S double charging station 16011 compatible with the "LEICA S battery BP-PRO1 (S2)?

Edited May 14, 2021 by analog-digital

[Sarnian]

1 hour ago, analog-digital said:

1. Is the battery of the S2 the same as the S 006?

2. Therefore is the Leica S double charging station 16011 compatible with the "LEICA S battery BP-PRO1 (S2)?

Yes and yes. 

[analog-digital]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Sarnian:

Yes and yes. 

Thank you

[Sarnian]

One more thing to add... don't buy  a "16 039" battery (with a picture of a crossed through wheelie bin on it) as that's only for the 007 and S3.

[analog-digital]

You mean this?

 

For the Leica S 007

16039

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For the Leica S2 006

14429

Edited May 14, 2021 by analog-digital

[HuntingSand]

vor 14 Minuten schrieb Sarnian:

One more thing to add... don't buy  a "16 039" battery (with a picture of a crossed through wheelie bin on it) as that's only for the 007 and S3.

I use the 16039 in my S006 w/o any problems.

[Sarnian]

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Precisely. 👍 

[Sarnian]

25 minutes ago, HuntingSand said:

I use the 16039 in my S006 w/o any problems.

Huh. When I just had a 006 I steered clear of the "16039" batteries as I thought that they were only for the 007! Not that anything disastrous will happen as the camera tells you if the wrong type of battery is inserted.

Anyway, the "14429" battery won't work in the 007 (I just tried it) which is exactly what the below blurb from on the Leica Store Miami website states:-

Lithium-ion battery designed specifically for the Leica S (Typ 007) digital medium format camera. It is also compatible with the Leica S (Typ 006). Please note that the Leica S Camera Battery 14429 for S (Typ 006) will not function in the S (Typ 007).

Maybe you only can't use the "16039" batteries in the S2 or S2-P??

Edited May 14, 2021 by Sarnian

[HuntingSand]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb Sarnian:

Huh. Indeed (I just tried both types of batteries in my 006 and 007 and it didn't make a difference to either). When I just had a 006 I steered clear of the "16039" batteries as I thought that they were only for the 007! Not that anything disastrous would have happened as the camera will tell you if the wrong type of battery is inserted.

Maybe you only can't use the "16039" batteries in the S2 or S2-P??

I also have a 14429, and I know for a fact that my S006 (updated motherboard, replaced sensor) doesn't get along with it real well, so it's just a paperweight right now. It says "For Leica S2" on the battery shell. The 039 is 7.3V, 2.30 AH and 17Wh, whereas the 429 is 7.4V, 2.10 AH and only 16Wh.

[darylgo]

My S006 is now back in Germany for sensor replacement.  In the past I used S2 and 006 batteries interchangeably.  The S006 did have occasional issues with overexposure in auto.   My assumption was the electronics, but perhaps it was a battery issue.  

[analog-digital]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb darylgo:

My S006 is now back in Germany for sensor replacement.  In the past I used S2 and 006 batteries interchangeably.  The S006 did have occasional issues with overexposure in auto.   My assumption was the electronics, but perhaps it was a battery issue.  

How much do you pay for the exchange?

[darylgo]

Early stages, no estimate yet. With the prices of S007 used bodies at $5000, the S006 may not be worth the repair costs. I understand Leica might offer an upgrade.  

[analog-digital]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb darylgo:

Early stages, no estimate yet. With the prices of S007 used bodies at $5000, the S006 may not be worth the repair costs. I understand Leica might offer an upgrade.  

Sensor exchange 006 costs CHF 2850.- ($ 3150.-) plus VAT

[Sarnian]

4 hours ago, darylgo said:

I understand Leica might offer an upgrade.  

I was offered a refurbished 007 for EUR 4,750 plus VAT. 

[Jeff S]

14 hours ago, Sarnian said:

Huh. When I just had a 006 I steered clear of the "16039" batteries as I thought that they were only for the 007! Not that anything disastrous will happen as the camera tells you if the wrong type of battery is inserted.

Anyway, the "14429" battery won't work in the 007 (I just tried it) which is exactly what the below blurb from on the Leica Store Miami website states:-

Lithium-ion battery designed specifically for the Leica S (Typ 007) digital medium format camera. It is also compatible with the Leica S (Typ 006). Please note that the Leica S Camera Battery 14429 for S (Typ 006) will not function in the S (Typ 007).

Maybe you only can't use the "16039" batteries in the S2 or S2-P??

The newer battery is backwards compatible, but the old battery lacks the power for the CMOS bodies with LV, etc.
 

From a long ago Red Dot Forum article when the S007 was released:

“Be aware that due to the increased power draw requirements for live view, video recording and 3.5 fps frame rate, Leica had to develop a new battery for the S007. It is exactly the same dimensions as the battery for the S2 and S006, and is backwards compatible, but offers 2300mAh vs 2100mAh. This may not seem like a huge difference, but old batteries will not work in the new camera. Don't worry about any damage to the camera, though. If you power the camera on with an older battery a warning message will show on screen and not allow you to power up the camera.”

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2015/09/leica-s-typ-007-review/

 

Jeff

Edited May 15, 2021 by Jeff S

[darylgo]

5 hours ago, Sarnian said:

I was offered a refurbished 007 for EUR 4,750 plus VAT. 

Many used S007 bodies available from reputable Leica dealers in the US between $4500-5500.  I would prefer to get a warranty from Leica with an exchange for my S006.  Prior to making any decisions I am planning to shoot an S3 and may skip the S007 altogether.  The S3 has the same sensor as the M10-R, a great sensor but for me it wasn't a significant step up from the M10-P in resolution.  The M10-R has better highlight recovery, and generalizing to the S3 I assume it does also.  This could be significant for my shooting but is one stop of dynamic range worth over $10,000  or the price difference of a used S007 vs. a new S3.  If the lenses weren't so darn good and the bodies so well designed I would drop the entire system 😉 

[Jeff S]

23 minutes ago, darylgo said:

Many used S007 bodies available from reputable Leica dealers in the US between $4500-5500.  I would prefer to get a warranty from Leica with an exchange for my S006.  Prior to making any decisions I am planning to shoot an S3 and may skip the S007 altogether.  The S3 has the same sensor as the M10-R, a great sensor but for me it wasn't a significant step up from the M10-P in resolution.  The M10-R has better highlight recovery, and generalizing to the S3 I assume it does also.  This could be significant for my shooting but is one stop of dynamic range worth over $10,000  or the price difference of a used S007 vs. a new S3.  If the lenses weren't so darn good and the bodies so well designed I would drop the entire system 😉 

The S3 has an improved red channel (skin tones) according to Leica exec interviews.  It was never clear if the M10-R color array was similarly improved.  
 

Jeff

[darylgo]

19 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

The S3 has an improved red channel (skin tones) according to Leica exec interviews.  It was never clear if the M10-R color array was similarly improved.  
 

Jeff

Thanks Jeff, an S3 would be a big move for my amateur use, I would need to test it before committing to the camera.   The S systems future is not clear.  About the color, red is difficult to judge (for me) however the S CCD sensors had the oddest color skies, they leaned toward cyan.  Thinking this through, the blue skies had slight green bias and currrent versions of lightroom make the hue easily adjustable.  

[John McMaster]

On 5/14/2021 at 11:40 PM, Sarnian said:

Maybe you only can't use the "16039" batteries in the S2 or S2-P??

Just tried, my S2-P powered up fine

john

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[davidmknoble]

On 5/15/2021 at 1:56 PM, darylgo said:

The S3 has the same sensor as the M10-R, a great sensor but for me it wasn't a significant step up from the M10-P in resolution.

I keep seeing this written, but I am struggling with whether it is really true.  The S007 and S3 are reported as having about 15 stops of dynamic range the and M10-R 13.5 - 14 stops depending on who you talk with.  It just seems if they are from the same sensor wafer, the dynamic range would be the same. Maybe it is in the electronic tuning, I don’t know.  I just question it, that’s all.