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vor 1 Stunde schrieb jaapv:

You really should read David Hockley - Secret Knowledge. A lens was an essential tool for renaissance -and later- painters.

Thanks for the advice, but besides the point.

vor 2 Stunden schrieb capo di tutti capi:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41670072@N07/31013731577/in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41670072@N07/42517119614/

Look at the center, then at the edges.

The haze is just behind the object. Tonal perspective.

I am still waiting for examples of famous painters who incorporated such blinding flaws in their pieces.

It is sad, that these days people think everything is great just because it is different.
In my opinion these inherent flaws do not give a picture depth, they just distract from the main subject.
Maybe such techniques are needed by those not able to create an interesting picture by the means of composition, contrast or actually having an interesting subject in the first place.
If the optical flaws of a lens are the only aspect that define your pictures I think it might be worthwhile to rethink that artistic approach.

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M-Leica lenses are art, not technical specifications. Not every photographer can show the character of the lens leica 

UPD. Now you know why you can't use lenses on a crop sensor. The crop will cut off the edges and leave only a flat center.

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

..you can't use lenses on a crop sensor. The crop will cut off the edges and leave only a flat center...

Nope. Ever used a 40mm f1.4 Voigtlander Nokton wide open with a crop-sensor M8? I have.

With the 'correct' subject-matter (to illustrate this aspect) the results are anything but flat.

Philip.

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

M-Leica lenses are art, not technical specifications. Not every photographer can show the character of the lens leica 

UPD. Now you know why you can't use lenses on a crop sensor. The crop will cut off the edges and leave only a flat center.

Hogwash.

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30 minutes ago, pippy said:

Nope. Ever used a 40mm f1.4 Voigtlander Nokton wide open with a crop-sensor M8? I have.

With the 'correct' subject-matter (to illustrate this aspect) the results are anything but flat.

Philip.

Yes, Voigtlander  40mm f1.4 one of my favorite lenses. The classic Voigtlander series is the most interesting. He has just such a drawing. But it is better to use it on the FF sensor.

It's like putting a small screen in a cinema instead of a big screen. Or paint over with black paint. Part of the image will fly by.

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33 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Yes, Voigtlander  40mm f1.4 one of my favorite lenses. The classic Voigtlander series is the most interesting. He has just such a drawing. But it is better to use it on the FF sensor...

I agree completely.

Philip.

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On 5/12/2021 at 12:44 AM, meowzilla said:

Anyone still see the "onion ring" bokeh on their new noctulux 1.2 and APO 35? 

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/05/02/the-end-of-onion-ring-bokeh-panasonic-beats-the-curse-of-aspheric-lenses

On 5/12/2021 at 12:44 AM, meowzilla said:

Anyone still see the "onion ring" bokeh on their new noctulux 1.2 and APO 35? 

I should clarify what I meant for onion ring bokeh on the aspherical lens elements. See example photo in the link. Anyone still see the rings on the bokeh light spots? 

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/05/02/the-end-of-onion-ring-bokeh-panasonic-beats-the-curse-of-aspheric-lenses

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Onion rings?! Seriously?! Ahaha!

Why did you do that? How can I forget this? Up to this point, I've only seen a drawing on any lens. Help me forget this lab test!

I thought the bokeh was shaped like rings

Are you photographers or laboratory technicians? 

Photography is an art.

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55 minutes ago, meowzilla said:

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/05/02/the-end-of-onion-ring-bokeh-panasonic-beats-the-curse-of-aspheric-lenses

I should clarify what I meant for onion ring bokeh on the aspherical lens elements. See example photo in the link. Anyone still see the rings on the bokeh light spots? 

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/05/02/the-end-of-onion-ring-bokeh-panasonic-beats-the-curse-of-aspheric-lenses

Lets hope that beating the bokeh curse helps them improve on their pitiful camera sales in the L mount.

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45 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Zeiss ZM lenses are not too big. For instance the Biogon ZM lenses are very nice. 

I needed 21mm. The Carl Zeiss is twice the size of the 21mm f 3.5 Voigtlander. I love slower speed lenses. I like 50mm f 3.5 or 2.0 instead of 1.8 and 1.4. I looked at millions of pictures and didn't have the strength to look at all the carl zeiss lenses. In this world, very few people make good content. Mostly fences, monuments and bokeh branches.

My apologies for a lot of me, me, me, me

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On 5/13/2021 at 11:51 AM, anickpick said:

The 28 Summaron has it because of its crazy field curvature.

Can you show example, please? Personally, I have never noticed it.

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30 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Can you show example, please? Personally, I have never noticed it.

After the pig. Near by the head. http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/L1000396.jpg

One more https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/BIRDS.jpg

From this review https://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2016/12/09/the-new-leica-28-summaron-f5-6-lens-review/

This is an amazing effect. Love him.

You need to know how to use a lens. Not every photographer can do this. The pattern depends on the focusing distance

 

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 On Flickr, only one photographer in a thousand was able to show the charakter of a 50mm 0.95 lens. The same situation with another lenses too.... 

Don't worry if you don't like this effect. It will not happen. Verified by 99.9% of photographers. 

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Not every photographer can do this.

Sorry - thought you were serious - not relying on a Huffism!

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