Ur-Leica Lens on an M10

[Pyrogallol]

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2 hours ago, Anbaric said:

I bet the first 454 were the hardest. 🙂

I might one done aspire to building a shoebox pinhole camera by carefully following a Youtube video.

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[zwieback]

often Barnack is seen as the "inventor" of the 35mm camera, which actually is not true. There have been plenty of still cameras made for 35mm film before the ur-leica. His achievement I rather see in developing the whole system and in combination with Leitz (or even following the request of Leitz) bringing it to the market and making it available for the public. The new idea I can see is to enlarge a small negative rather than doing contact sheets from larger formats.

35mm cams:

http://corsopolaris.net/supercameras/early/early_135.html

[pgk]

30 minutes ago, zwieback said:

often Barnack is seen as the "inventor" of the 35mm camera, which actually is not true.

A bit like Jacques Cousteau. All the technology for the aqualung existed. Both both Barnack and Cousteau were able to provide the existing technology in a viable form which made it usable. Inventors, well perhaps not, but they were innovators who saw the usability of the technology and without them things may have taken a very differet course. Both are rightly celebrated in my opinion.

[willeica]

2 hours ago, zwieback said:

often Barnack is seen as the "inventor" of the 35mm camera, which actually is not true. There have been plenty of still cameras made for 35mm film before the ur-leica. His achievement I rather see in developing the whole system and in combination with Leitz (or even following the request of Leitz) bringing it to the market and making it available for the public. The new idea I can see is to enlarge a small negative rather than doing contact sheets from larger formats.

35mm cams:

http://corsopolaris.net/supercameras/early/early_135.html

The history of the world is littered with people with brilliant ideas, but who could not make them work. Others saw the concept, but were not able to execute it. The Model I from 1925 was probably the first commercially successful 35mm camera which spawned many others for the next 80 or more years. As for Leica/Leitz it always was and still is a team exercise. While Berek rightly gets credit for his lens designs it was Barnack and his foremen who developed the camera and the lenses together. Likewise I don't buy into any of the myths about Mandler and Karbe. I have met Peter Karbe and I have seen him talking many times. He is a most modest man who always emphasises the team effort at Leica/Leitz. It always was that way in the firm and some of the credit for that must go to the Leitz family and their successors. I won't go into the 'lunchtime' theory here. 

William 

Edited March 31, 2021 by willeica

[Anbaric]

2 hours ago, zwieback said:

often Barnack is seen as the "inventor" of the 35mm camera, which actually is not true. There have been plenty of still cameras made for 35mm film before the ur-leica. His achievement I rather see in developing the whole system and in combination with Leitz (or even following the request of Leitz) bringing it to the market and making it available for the public. The new idea I can see is to enlarge a small negative rather than doing contact sheets from larger formats.

35mm cams:

http://corsopolaris.net/supercameras/early/early_135.html

It's also a question of a very well thought-out design that was attractive to people who weren't just the camera geeks of their day. There were high capacity mp3 players before the iPod:

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and smartphones before the iPhone:

but it wasn't until Apple's products hit the market that everyone wanted one, and they became the reference points that defined the category and inspired all later designs by their competitors.

[Ambro51]

....someday they will be antiques.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Ambro51

[Ambro51]

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Here are a few shots taken with the 80 Summar.  It fills the 24x65 format well.  

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[Ambro51]

That’s on this, a replica of Jens Poal Andersen’s Camera #311, which uses sprocketed 35 mm film.  The link above on early photography incorrectly dated the camera from 1906.  That’s disproven in a study of correspondence between the buyer of the camera and his agent.  It dates from 1916, still pretty early.  Andersen was an old time maker of large format gear and these small cameras were built simply, yet precisely.  ••. I put on the 80mm Leitz Mikro Summar, and set the focus wide open at 15 feet.   It’s simplicity itself.  Two large film chambers, and the film fed by a single 14 tooth sprocket, one revolution per frame. There’s a wind knob on the bottom.  The top slides off and on, the finder is awesome, it looks odd but works really good.  The shutter is a slide, with a square opening,  it’s held closed by a spring,,,,  to shoot you pull the spring knob back, that covers the lens opening pulled back, uncap the lens, release the spring knob and the slide zips across. ( pic taken) then you can cap the lens.  You can wind with the lens cap off.   I don’t know the speed, but 100 film likes 2nd stop which is 5.6  ••••. In the end the customer, Danish Journalist and World Traveler, Holger Rosenberg felt the sprockets width was wasted space and moved to having variations built that used unperforated film advanced by a sliding pin that pierced the film in the space between the images , but that’s another story.  

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Edited March 31, 2021 by Ambro51