New to Leica..M10 question

[BrettW]

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18 hours ago, rramesh said:

Check the wrist strap. Too many metal bits that may cause rub marks on the body. Check out other posts and maybe replace with another that may prove to be more camera friendly.

 

Hi rramesh,

Thank you for bringing that to my attention...there is quite a bit of metal on this particular wrist strap. This particular one doesn't pose a problem like you would think after looking at it in the picture. I replaced the key ring with a triangle ring with plastic protector from my Sony camera, the rest of the metal doesn't come in contact with the camera unless I'm was very careless.

[Narsuitus]

On 2/8/2021 at 8:28 PM, BrettW said:

... my street camera is a Fuji X100f.... the Leica will replace the latter.

I was temporarily using a Fuji X Pro2 until I could buy a Leica M10.

After I bought the M10, I discovered that the Pro 2 and the M10 had different features that I really liked. I decided to keep them both.

[BrettW]

7 hours ago, Narsuitus said:

I was temporarily using a Fuji X Pro2 until I could buy a Leica M10.

After I bought the M10, I discovered that the Pro 2 and the M10 had different features that I really liked. I decided to keep them both.

What features on the X Pro 2 do you really like that you decided to keep it? I still love my X100F and will be keeping it as well for certain travel applications.

[Narsuitus]

7 hours ago, BrettW said:

What features on the X Pro 2 do you really like that you decided to keep it?

Here are the features on the X Pro 2 that I really like:

·        video

·        auto focus

·        weather resistant lenses

·        double memory card slots

·        easy access to battery and memory cards

·        totally silent operation when using electronic shutter

·        wireless local area network feature that works with my Android cell phone

 

[BrettW]

1 hour ago, Narsuitus said:

Here are the features on the X Pro 2 that I really like:

·        video

·        auto focus

·        weather resistant lenses

·        double memory card slots

·        easy access to battery and memory cards

·        totally silent operation when using electronic shutter

·        wireless local area network feature that works with my Android cell phone

 

Those are all great features that I love and use quite a bit on my Sony camera mainly for travel photography. I always carry a backup camera with me which the M10-P or Fuji will fill that role quite nicely when I want to go minimalist.

[shanefking]

Hi Brett, welcome to the club!

If you ever feel like giving yourself a challenge, try accurately focusing wide open without using the rangefinder or live view.  Its not the most useful skill, but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing a camera and lens well enough that it becomes an extension of yourself, and that's what this camera is made to be.

 

[pedaes]

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46 minutes ago, shanefking said:

Hi Brett, welcome to the club!

If you ever feel like giving yourself a challenge, try accurately focusing wide open without using the rangefinder or live view.  Its not the most useful skill, but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing a camera and lens well enough that it becomes an extension of yourself, and that's what this camera is made to be.

 

Why? Just an exercise in estimating distance and moving it to the lens. Nothing to do with camera. Completely pointless IMHO.

[shanefking]

4 hours ago, pedaes said:

Why? Just an exercise in estimating distance and moving it to the lens. Nothing to do with camera. Completely pointless IMHO.

Exactly!   It is fun to get perfect focus on a stranger's eyes at f1.4 from 6m away without even looking at the camera.  Nothing more, but also nothing less

[BrettW]

5 hours ago, shanefking said:

Hi Brett, welcome to the club!

If you ever feel like giving yourself a challenge, try accurately focusing wide open without using the rangefinder or live view.  Its not the most useful skill, but there's a certain satisfaction in knowing a camera and lens well enough that it becomes an extension of yourself, and that's what this camera is made to be.

 

 

4 hours ago, pedaes said:

Why? Just an exercise in estimating distance and moving it to the lens. Nothing to do with camera. Completely pointless IMHO.

I understand the concept Shane is talking about...given enough practice and skill with (any tool) we use, it can become a natural reflex to use efficiently and accurately. The statement reminds me of my time in the military, we trained so much with our rifles that they became an extension of ourselves. They weren't extraordinarily accurate rifles but I knew mine so well I could hit a bullseye at 500m all day long...of course using iron sights lol. Anyways I also agree with Pedaes in become proficient with range estimation. I've downloaded a DOF calculator so I can visualize and memorize where my plane of focus will be at, at certain ranges.

[mujk]

17 hours ago, BrettW said:

 

I understand the concept Shane is talking about...given enough practice and skill with (any tool) we use, it can become a natural reflex to use efficiently and accurately. The statement reminds me of my time in the military, we trained so much with our rifles that they became an extension of ourselves. They weren't extraordinarily accurate rifles but I knew mine so well I could hit a bullseye at 500m all day long...of course using iron sights lol. Anyways I also agree with Pedaes in become proficient with range estimation. I've downloaded a DOF calculator so I can visualize and memorize where my plane of focus will be at, at certain ranges.

Exactly! The Leica M is IMHO particularly well suited for this, because there is very little automation to mess things up once you have learned how the really very basic, center-weighed exposure meter works.

[Peter Kilmister]

@mujk: sums up the purpose of a rangefinder for me. Ever tried to use an AF camera using MF? Usually a waste of time. Just focus and shoot. Who needs AF? 

[IkarusJohn]

On 2/9/2021 at 3:28 PM, BrettW said:

…

-I’m not interested in buying a visoflex, how difficult is it to nail focus at f1.4 with the view finder or live view?

…

Theoretically, no more difficult than any other lens.  The rangefinder has the advantage that it is giving you the plane of best focus, regardless of the lens you’re using.

[BrettW]

11 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Theoretically, no more difficult than any other lens.  The rangefinder has the advantage that it is giving you the plane of best focus, regardless of the lens you’re using.

Thank you for the advice, I enjoy the simplicity of the rangefinder focusing

[jaapv]

11 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Theoretically, no more difficult than any other lens.  The rangefinder has the advantage that it is giving you the plane of best focus, regardless of the lens you’re using.

But, at smaller apertures and shorter focal lengt6hs, there is more margin for error, due to DOF.

[IkarusJohn]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

But, at smaller apertures and shorter focal lengt6hs, there is more margin for error, due to DOF.

Of course, but the best plane of focus remains the same - with accuracy reducing with increased focal length.

[jaapv]

Yes, but somewhere between 90 and 135 mm @ 2.8 the resolution limit of the eye (and admittedly the -steadily improving- tolerance of the RF mechanism) will be overtaken by the narrowing of DOF.

[IkarusJohn]

4 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Yes, but somewhere between 90 and 135 mm @ 2.8 the resolution limit of the eye (and admittedly the -steadily improving- tolerance of the RF mechanism) will be overtaken by the narrowing of DOF.

Yes, that’s my experience also.  75mm is the limit for me.  The M10 rangefinder is a vast improvement over the previous M cameras I’ve owned - more reliably accurate and more robust.  I also use a 1.4 magnifier for my 50 and 75 mm lenses.  I know you don’t like the magnifiers, but with every glass surface clean, I haven’t noticed the loss of brightness and contrast you have observed.

[jaapv]

Contrast and brightness are one thing, often overcome by the light quality of the scene, but used to increase the RF base if needed there is nothing to be said against them.
My main objection is that they are often seen as a panacea against lack of focusing skill, which is obviously futile, or as a cure for eye anomalies, where they will often magnify the problem with the VF image.

[Jeff S]

16 minutes ago, jaapv said:

..,or as a cure for eye anomalies, where they will often magnify the problem with the VF image.

Often this, it seems.

Jeff

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Speaking of a wrist straps with minimal metal parts to avoid unwanted body/glass scratches, I'm using simple to make DIY leather strap with vintage metal rivet adopted from old Nikon binoculars strap, and custom made copper ring. It has that minimalistic look and practical function to fit Leica controls minimalism.

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