lct Posted February 12, 2021 Share #61 Posted February 12, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not convinced sorry. I happen to use a couple of Fuji, Nikon and Sony lenses and results are obviously different to me. Comes from the cameras for sure, especially the strange Fuji colors that i find difficult to adjust in PP, but lenses play a major role. Even between M lenses i see obvious differences, go figure, but i'm perhaps too picky... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted February 12, 2021 Share #62 Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, lct said: ..... but I'm perhaps too picky... Or perhaps, too observant🤔. I would agree and as you say the 'whole package' delivers different results with the lenses certainly playing their part. If I could be bothered I'd do some side-by-side tests but in all honesty I know which I like so I can't. Edited February 12, 2021 by pgk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted February 13, 2021 Share #63 Posted February 13, 2021 17 hours ago, lct said: I'm not convinced sorry. I happen to use a couple of Fuji, Nikon and Sony lenses and results are obviously different to me. Comes from the cameras for sure, especially the strange Fuji colors that i find difficult to adjust in PP, but lenses play a major role. Even between M lenses i see obvious differences, go figure, but i'm perhaps too picky... And then you change your computer monitor, or your processing software, and it's all back to square 1 (different) again. What we see in smartphone photography is that it's the computational components that have the biggest effect. Digital photography generally is on the same trajectory. Hence, the hardware has only a small effect on the output. As long as the hardware is of the same generation. So you might be too picky? I can't answer that. However, you might be attributing the differences you see to the wrong factor. Correlation, causation etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jefferson Posted February 13, 2021 Share #64 Posted February 13, 2021 20 hours ago, lct said: I'm not convinced sorry. I happen to use a couple of Fuji, Nikon and Sony lenses and results are obviously different to me. Comes from the cameras for sure, especially the strange Fuji colors that i find difficult to adjust in PP, but lenses play a major role. Even between M lenses i see obvious differences, go figure, but i'm perhaps too picky... My post was all but disagree, not sure why the negative vibe? 😁 It's too easy for people to think it's digital so anything can be manipulated. Objectively it IS possible but we might as well paint with Photoshop. 🤪 Another fun fact - I was using my good old RX1R to shoot some close up and the result was a mixed feeling. When pixel peeping the rendering was pin sharp and one can see tiny details that's invincible to the naked eyes. However when view as a whole, the image lack richness and funny enough - it lack sharpness or nuances, for lack of better words. When I shoot Leica, it's the opposite, details were fuzzy when pixel peeping, but image was incredibly rich, detailed, and life-like when view as a whole. I'll leave it up to you guys to interpret what's going on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 13, 2021 Share #65 Posted February 13, 2021 Been using some of those lenses for 30+ years folks and i know what comes from digital you can trust me. Now you don't have to agree with me of course, i just wanted to say than i am not convinced by what you say sorry again . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 13, 2021 Share #66 Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/7/2021 at 5:41 AM, pgk said: Try: https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2018/04/Article-Bokeh-2010-EN.pdf this one is also a good read > en_CLB_40_Nasse_Lens_Names_Planar.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share #67 Posted February 13, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 minutes ago, lct said: Been using some of those lenses for 30+ years folks and i know what comes from digital you can trust me. Now you don't have to agree with me of course, i just wanted to say than i am not convinced by what you say sorry again . You are right historically. I agree with you against my own statements as Original Poster. With lenses like Leica's that have a planned characteristic modeling of the subject there are differences in lenses especially historically. But looking forward... with the new Autofocus Lenses they are all looking more the same than in the past, are they not? Once again Leica has something special with their M Asph lenses having a "clear sharpness" while the Summarit-M's (2.4 & 2.5), the new discontinued ones, have a "crisp" sharpness".... they do look different. But with lenses from other companies I see less to no differences maybe just some color differences like Canon lenses are said to be warmer and make skin tones look better. Now if this is not true, please, someone talk me out of it. Like with picture samples. While you may find some examples of differentiation, I think it is much less than historically within the Leica line, and for those with the ability to let go a bit and call these similar aesthetics, the camera body then predominates as the differentiating part of the camera system. Wish someone would review the ergonomics of the SL2-S Leica in depth and NOT look at the lenses or the history of Leica. What is Leica doing now and how good are they at it? Steve Huff, artist photographer (as opposed to technician only [which is ok, we all have our own approach]), states in his video that the SL2-S has a special easy way of operating, especially with the touch screen, that differentiates it from others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share #68 Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, frame-it said: this one is also a good read > https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2018/04/Article-Bokeh-2010-EN.pdf en_CLB_40_Nasse_Lens_Names_Planar.pdf 1.3 MB · 1 download Thank you for two great articles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 13, 2021 Share #69 Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tom1234 said: Wish someone would review the ergonomics of the SL2-S Leica in depth and NOT look at the lenses or the history of Leica. Not my cup of tee sorry. I prefer compact gear and perfection is something i'm not fond of in photography but this is subjective obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted February 13, 2021 Share #70 Posted February 13, 2021 Are all modern lenses so perfect, and thus similar in scene rendering, that camera systems are best picked according to body ease of use? The answer is No. Camera systems are best picked by sensor characteristics, in terms of resolution and color, that best suit the photographer's vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share #71 Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kwesi said: Are all modern lenses so perfect, and thus similar in scene rendering, that camera systems are best picked according to body ease of use? The answer is No. Camera systems are best picked by sensor characteristics, in terms of resolution and color, that best suit the photographer's vision. Ok, I must AGREE with that addition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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