tom0511 Posted August 23, 2007 Share #21  Posted August 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) No I wonder what my Nikon 28/1.4 and 85/1.4 could do on the D3.... spot on focus probably very good high iso in combination with a fast and wide lens like the 28/1.4 quit intruiging idea  but big and heavy compared to the M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgcd Posted August 23, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted August 23, 2007 A significant and rather exciting announcement. I guess this is the digital equivalent of Nikon's F6 masterpiece (at least in spirit). A friend of mine had been expecting this as he was told months ago it would be anounced in the Fall - well I guess it's almost Fall... and he had been planning his lens arsenal accordingly. I am sure he's celebrating today. He did have it wrong though, it wasn't the D3X... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 23, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted August 23, 2007 it wasn't the D3X... Â The D3 is basically two cameras in one and effectively eliminated the necessity to keep both the H and X series. Â Also, Sony/Nikon has no hi-res FF sensor to match the one in 1Ds3 in the next couple of years so that's it ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 23, 2007 Share #24 Â Posted August 23, 2007 ... (or will the R9 remain as the film option). James-- The R9 is already out of production and there will be no new analog cameras according to the Kaufmann interview cited at http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/31562-could-there-come-m9-soon.html%23post332000. Â ... but for these action photos you really need something with superb AF (or else prefocus and use a high speed MD and hope you manage to hit the exact fraction of a second when the face is where you have focused). Â Or you could get a slower dog. Â Nice shots, by the way. Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 23, 2007 Share #25 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Disappointment for me is the lower than expected resolution; put a DX lens on (of which I have 4) and you're down to 5MP and although Nikon's range of FF lenses has been boosted by this announcement, they are still short of fast primes. Â I see this camera as more a replacement for the unloved D2H and that we'll see a higher resolution version in due course. I don't need 9fps, but I do need more than 12MP for a FF camera. Maybe I should just sell the DX lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 23, 2007 Share #26 Â Posted August 23, 2007 personally I am quite happy with 12Mp, and since its a Nikon, you can pick up an MF 50/1.2 or a 35/1.4 or a 24/2 or all 3 for next to nothing on the used market, and then use the in camera CA correction. Seems to me that, in typical Nikon fashion, they have ignored the marketing big bang (ie loads of Mp) and delivered a much more practical and affordable tool. Its just a shame that I am broke.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven Posted August 23, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) personally I am quite happy with 12Mp, and since its a Nikon, you can pick up an MF 50/1.2 or a 35/1.4 or a 24/2 or all 3 for next to nothing on the used market, and then use the in camera CA correction. Seems to me that, in typical Nikon fashion, they have ignored the marketing big bang (ie loads of Mp) and delivered a much more practical and affordable tool. Its just a shame that I am broke.... Â No they would have brought out a FF camera with 24 MP if they could have, but they can not, so far. That is a very simple fact. I love how some really think that the 12Mp is because Nikon thinks it's good enough... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 23, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted August 23, 2007 I love how some really think that the 12Mp is because Nikon thinks it's good enough... Â fascinating how you know my product needs without knowing anything about me! can you advise me on my pension and relationship problems as well!? actually i am perfectly happy with 10Mp, so 12 is more than I need. If you have an adequacy problem with 12Mp I can assure you thats your problem not mine oh and why is it that canon sell so many more 1D cameras than 1Ds cameras.....?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdewitt Posted August 23, 2007 Share #29 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Finally, a digital Nikon that will let me use my collection of metal, manual-focus, DOF-marked, wide angle AI Nikkors. And 12MP is fine - after all I'm fine with my M8. But the D3 is sooo big and heavy. Â Using metal, manual-focus, DOF-marked lenses is what attracted me to my M8, too. And I love the size. I'm not wild about external finders, so wide angle isn't what I would like it to be. But in many cases is better than carrying a car-sized camera. Â Now if they could just make a full-frame digital FM, I'd be in seventh heaven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted August 24, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted August 24, 2007 The D300 interests me the most along with the 24-70/2.8. Â The rumor mill says that a higher megapixel version of the D3 will be available late spring to mid-year next year. Â Best, Â Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted August 24, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted August 24, 2007 On the downside, I find the D300's low ISO of 200 disappointing. I have already felt constrained by the ISO 160 of the M8 on occasion. Â I was under the impression that with digital sensors, as opposed to film, ISO was pretty much notional, like eleven on the amp. No? Â I think Nikon has somewhat out-maneuvered Canon from a business perspective, which always interests businesses, of course. From a photographer's point of view, it looks like the systems are pretty much equal in terms of sensor quality, though Canon is somewhat more expensive in terms of value-for-dollar. Canon still owns the top-end -- but most Nikon people (I'm one, in addition to my Leica system) seem to believe that a high-res version of the D3 will be along next year, with certain necessary modifications, like a slower frame rate. Â Both the Canon and Nikon systems are concerned with value for dollar. If Leica makes an R10, I think it will have to do what Leica has always done (and this time it has no choice) -- it simply must offer the best final image qualilty, bar none. It has the lenses; the question is whether it can get the sensor. Probably need something in the region of 18mp. I think Canon will be bumping up against the limitations of its lenses with the new 21mp 1DsIII, and pretty severely. Michael Reichmann from Luminous Landscape suggests that already the 1DsII is better with Zeiss lenses than with Canon, though Zeiss would not fit with most Canon users' all-automatic shooting style... Â One of the more interesting aspects of the Nikon announcement is their new line of fast zooms. They will be a critical part of the imaging competition in the months to come, depending on their final qualilty, which I expect will be quite high. Â With all of this, I think an R10 will need a line of AF zooms if it wants to make money... Â JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 24, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted August 24, 2007 Regarding the Canon vs Nikon debate, as someone owning Nikon (D2x and d200) I have to say while I prefer the user interface and size of the bodys, if we only talk about sensors and sensor options I find the Canon product range more appealing. With the actual 1d and 1ds they leave it to the customer to decide for either resolution or high iso. Also for the smaller cameras (5d, 30d etc etc) Canon offers both, full frame and cropped sensors. If we talk about full frame: will the Nikon D3 sensor be any better than a Canon 5d sensor? Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 24, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted August 24, 2007 The D300 sounds like a great camera, and the 24-70/2.8 is a great focal length zoom, but th 36-105mm effective on the D300 is not so interesting... Like a P&S zoom, and I always find that they don't go wide enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjs Posted August 24, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted August 24, 2007 No they would have brought out a FF camera with 24 MP if they could have, but they can not, so far. That is a very simple fact. I love how some really think that the 12Mp is because Nikon thinks it's good enough... Â I'm not so sure about that - I think Nikon has carefully calculated the spec's for this sensor and what they want this camera to be, and it's suggestive of a clarity of purpose and maturity of design, for the type of professional photography the camera is aimed at. They've clearly gone for the very large pixel and the14bit NEF for wide DR and low-light sensitivity. At a 12mp CMOS sensor and an esoteric carbon-fibre shutter mechanism, they can now claim the world's fastest 35mm format camera. Perhaps a later model with a lower-case x will move into the 18mp range. Personally, I think the DMR (and the M8) has had some major impact on philosophy and what resolution really means. You may be getting a very fast and also a very good image here. Nikon has it's own take on this and it will be interesting to see what the files look like. best-John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s.m.e.p. Posted August 24, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted August 24, 2007 The D300 sounds like a great camera, and the 24-70/2.8 is a great focal length zoom, but th 36-105mm effective on the D300 is not so interesting... Like a P&S zoom, and I always find that they don't go wide enough. Â For the D300 the AF-S 17-55/2.8 DX (25,5-82,5mm) is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 24, 2007 Share #36 Â Posted August 24, 2007 For the D300 the AF-S 17-55/2.8 DX (25,5-82,5mm) is available. Â which is an excellent lens by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 24, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted August 24, 2007 Yes, it is excellent, just a pity it can only do 5.1MP on a D3. What I'd really like is a D3X with the same pixel pitch as the D2X so that DX lenses behave as now. That would make it 27MP full frame though. Â One interesting thing is their ability to partially black out the viewfinder when a DX lens is mounted which is similar to the requirement we have on the M for electronic frame lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjs Posted August 25, 2007 Share #38  Posted August 25, 2007 Yes, it is excellent, just a pity it can only do 5.1MP on a D3. What I'd really like is a D3X with the same pixel pitch as the D2X so that DX lenses behave as now. That would make it 27MP full frame though. One interesting thing is their ability to partially black out the viewfinder when a DX lens is mounted which is similar to the requirement we have on the M for electronic frame lines.  I wonder if it would be possible to defeat the auto--DX mode by setting the camera in manual? Then one could crop the blacked out part of the image later, possibly ending up with around an 8mp image? best-John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 25, 2007 Share #39  Posted August 25, 2007 I wonder if it would be possible to defeat the auto--DX mode by setting the camera in manual? Then one could crop the blacked out part of the image later, possibly ending up with around an 8mp image? best-John  I think that you can try taping one or more of the contacts on the lens mount so the body doesn't recognize the lens. However, this is only my guess, you could confirm it when you get your hands on one of these cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 25, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted August 25, 2007 I would have thought that the D3 used downsampling to achieve DX format--that's why it's only available in JPG. Â In other words, the sensor would take all the data fed it and reduce them to the listed dimensions, just as it takes all the data but can output them in high or low resolution. Â But then the question would be, why a DX format option anyway? Â The camera sounds more and more interesting!!! Â Where did you get the information on there being an auto-DX function? Do the current top-end Nikons do this? Â Thanks! Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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