Tom1234 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share #281 Posted November 4, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, Matlock said: If you have the facilities there is absolutely no need to involve a middleman. If... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jto555 Posted November 4, 2020 Share #282 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) My first 10 years as a photographer was spent processing all the studios film for three photographers. B/W plus E6. Believe me when I say I do not miss it, but I am glad film is still around for those who want to use it. In 2005 I loaded three backs for my Hasselblad, for a shoot where the requirement was for 48 sheet poster (billboard) of a scene taken during the filming of a TV commercial. I also brought along my Canon 20D as a backup. Due to time constraints on the shoot I only ended up only shooting the Canon. The Hasselblad, as of writing, this is still loaded with the same rolls, 15 years later. Now all my work is shot on M240s. But, and a big but, I feel there could be a Hasselblad CFV ii in my future however... Edited November 4, 2020 by jto555 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted November 4, 2020 Share #283 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) Oops, just edited my double post. Edited November 4, 2020 by jto555 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
convexferret Posted November 4, 2020 Share #284 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tom1234 said: Could you put up son links on this? Best places to make one's magazines? Blurb or Magcloud are the companies that I’ve tried (blurb now owns Magcloud). The main difference is in the various formats they offer. Blurb has a handy desktop app if your needs are simple, Magcloud has a better range of templates for other programs like InDesign, Word or Pages. I’ve done 6 or 7 magazines now and a few books previously. The magazines work out at 1/4 the price or less for a similar number of pages. P&P can be a bit steep though. Here’s a magazine from a birthday party last year Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 4, 2020 by convexferret 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314500-24meg-verses-40meg-aesthetic/?do=findComment&comment=4074053'>More sharing options...
Raymondl Posted November 4, 2020 Share #285 Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) Nice work @Steven 5 hours ago, Steven said: Here is another stupid but fun test: The 35 1.4 Nokton MCII mounted on the Sony 12MP sensor, vs the SL2 12MP sensor. Can you actually see an aesthetically difference ?!! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Z9usxaSJKTzDFH99BSVaARawI0OD6ixw?usp=sharing Except for a green tint difference, which existed between the SL2 and the M10P as well, my eye cannot spot much difference without pixel peeping. I can't tell the difference except for the subtle colour differences here (as you have stated), the wooden table.. looks nicer on the SL2.. more contrast/warmer tones.. 5 hours ago, Steven said: And the best for last, sorry if it pisses off a few people, but I could not help myself ! Sony FE 35mm 1.8 versus Summicron SL 35mm 2.0. In other words, the $6,000 best 35 ever made by Leica, and maybe in the world, mounted on the 47MP SL2 sensor, against the cheap, plastic entry level 35mm 1.8 by sony, mounted on a 12MP sony sensor ! Both shot at F2... https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1emyEM2GC6KHaeLCIw5Odfc0yHPrBZ6x_?usp=sharing What conclusions do I draw from this last test? It's time to pick up a camera (whichever makes me feel good) and a lens (whichever inspires me) and go out to take some photos! Happy shooting.. Hmm to be fair the Sony 1.8 35mm is considered "expensive" in the Sony world, The Samyang 35mm 1.8 (newly released) would be the equivalent of the "cheap, plastic, recycled plastic"..built lens.. but doesn't necessary hold true when its comes to the "actual" optical performance (especially when taking into account the in lens software correction). But yes the when looking/comparing the two images, the differences aren't "worlds apart" and like anything it's like the "diminishing returns" curve.. there isn't a right or wrong choice.. ...won't necessary start the debate here around durability/depreciation/appreciation of value between the two lenses.. but like you stated it's one of the things that can't be defined in a simple black & white comparison.. but rather it's the one that you feel the most "connected" to.. and it's the one that you use to capture the scene... well for me at least Edited November 4, 2020 by Raymondl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #286 Posted November 5, 2020 21 hours ago, Steven said: And the best for last, sorry if it pisses off a few people, but I could not help myself ! Sony FE 35mm 1.8 versus Summicron SL 35mm 2.0. In other words, the $6,000 best 35 ever made by Leica, and maybe in the world, mounted on the 47MP SL2 sensor, against the cheap, plastic entry level 35mm 1.8 by sony, mounted on a 12MP sony sensor ! Both shot at F2... https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1emyEM2GC6KHaeLCIw5Odfc0yHPrBZ6x_?usp=sharing What conclusions do I draw from this last test? It's time to pick up a camera (whichever makes me feel good) and a lens (whichever inspires me) and go out to take some photos! Happy shooting.. Thanks for the photos and it is interesting that on in my browser they are so similar who can pick between them? I think it would help if more items were in focus, a more complex scene, and real skin would help with texture representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #287 Posted November 5, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, jto555 said: My first 10 years as a photographer was spent processing all the studios film for three photographers. B/W plus E6. Believe me when I say I do not miss it, but I am glad film is still around for those who want to use it. In 2005 I loaded three backs for my Hasselblad, for a shoot where the requirement was for 48 sheet poster (billboard) of a scene taken during the filming of a TV commercial. I also brought along my Canon 20D as a backup. Due to time constraints on the shoot I only ended up only shooting the Canon. The Hasselblad, as of writing, this is still loaded with the same rolls, 15 years later. Now all my work is shot on M240s. But, and a big but, I feel there could be a Hasselblad CFV ii in my future however... I have a box of film in my freezer sleeping its life away. It takes maybe 24 hours to unfreeze... put film in the camera before un-frozen and it is brittle and will brake. Wish it improved with age but probably not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #288 Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom1234 said: Thanks for the photos and it is interesting that on in my browser they are so similar who can pick between them? I think it would help if more items were in focus, a more complex scene, and real skin would help with texture representation. This is not meant as an insult. I am agreeing with you. I wish there was a standard test setup we could all use and it was simple and cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #289 Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Steven said: No offense taken. I did the test that was convenient for me and that relates to how I shoot, which is 90% of the time wide open... Good news, I just got in my hands this morning an M10R, I will be able to use it for a week. The bad news is I had to give my M10P in exchange so I won't be able to do any 24 vs 40 side by side test. Ill just be using it in real life and let you know if I feel any different in the real world I guess. Given our similar view of the 24 vs 40 meg aesthetic, it will be interesting to see if you can get the m10-R, to do it all aesthetically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted November 5, 2020 Share #290 Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Steven said: No offense taken. I did the test that was convenient for me and that relates to how I shoot, which is 90% of the time wide open... Good news, I just got in my hands this morning an M10R, I will be able to use it for a week. The bad news is I had to give my M10P in exchange so I won't be able to do any 24 vs 40 side by side test. Ill just be using it in real life and let you know if I feel any different in the real world I guess. The M10R is so seductive, I hope you said a fond "adieu" to the M10P. Just kidding , I have and love the M10P!! That camera is so good to me I didn't even realize I made this photo till I came home and saw it in Lightroom. Lower East Side, NY - M10-P, 35FLE Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314500-24meg-verses-40meg-aesthetic/?do=findComment&comment=4074471'>More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share #291 Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 6:47 AM, Steven said: Something we never discussed but that probably relates at least from to this thread..... did I mention to you I HATE 8K footage? It looks so crisp, sharp and real. Disgusting. I just emailed with a cinematographer friend of mine, that I met in film school, who works in Los Angles, CA. He said the actors did not want to be filmed by 8k cameras because it made them look bad somehow. I would suspect the actors skin did not look as good, and they looked older, which the youth culture of Los Angles does not commercially promote in these times. I really appreciate all your posts and energy to research. I too am a researcher but mostly sitting still at the computer. When I called you "young" earlier it was NOT meant as an insult, it is really probably that I am old so I see all others as young. If I make it to France someday I will have to look you up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torontoamateur Posted November 5, 2020 Share #292 Posted November 5, 2020 Ask a woman if she likes the ultra realistic high resolution photos that shows every flaw in her skin and makeup 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeheartny Posted November 5, 2020 Share #293 Posted November 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Steven said: Will report soon about the M10R, but at first glance, I’m afraid I might have to “turn my jacket inside out” as we say in French. Can’t wait to hear your impressions. I don’t know this French expression but I’m interested regardless! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted November 5, 2020 Share #294 Posted November 5, 2020 Nope! Much prefer M-10R and M-10M! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2020 Share #295 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/4/2020 at 3:00 PM, Steven said: Hey hey, So a few hours ago I picked an SL2 with the M adapter. I thought, what better way to stay busy than to compare 24MP vs 47MP! Here is the result. It's just a simple photo of a doll, both times shot on the 35mm Lux ASPH pre file, with the same manual settings. I left in there the DNG files for you to compare, but I also added a heavily edited version, where I chose to go a bit far and add some grain, some dust and scratches (using the Nik collection filter, because grain is calculated based on pixel size so I wanted to see the impact on editing). I left these two files in the folder as well. If you ask me my thoughts on the final results... do I see a difference in aesthetics ? Not really.... ! do I see an advantage to the higher res sensor ? Not really.... ! Do I know wether to upgrade my M10P to the M10R ? Not at all...! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GMhYuy6Kai0aQ0SELKyXmN_EBIU1EX0h/view?usp=sharing You bought an SL2 just to compare the 24mp v 47mp? Mad world ,sad world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondl Posted November 7, 2020 Share #296 Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, steve 1959 said: You bought an SL2 just to compare the 24mp v 47mp? Mad world ,sad world. Not sure about ”sad world”? Feels more like dedication IMO. Not sure if there was an exchange of money.. Or if it was a special loan arrangement? He has the M10-R now. So I am still interested hearing steven’s thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share #297 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 10:42 AM, Kwesi said: The M10R is so seductive, I hope you said a fond "adieu" to the M10P. Just kidding , I have and love the M10P!! That camera is so good to me I didn't even realize I made this photo till I came home and saw it in Lightroom. Lower East Side, NY - M10-P, 35FLE Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Amazing clarity for a "street" shot which frequently include some blurry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share #298 Posted November 7, 2020 To all camera testers: Please add: 1- Some items in depth- near, mid, far. 2- Some items with detail (any complexity) and texture (finer detail, patterns). 3- An outdoor shot with infinity focus (a shot with all in focus). 4- An Indoor shot with varied lighting, bright to dark, where all is not in focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share #299 Posted November 7, 2020 On 11/5/2020 at 5:02 PM, Torontoamateur said: Ask a woman if she likes the ultra realistic high resolution photos that shows every flaw in her skin and makeup Great insight! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1234 Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share #300 Posted November 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Steven said: What's sad about this world ? My happiness? That I can afford to buy all of lineup that is available at the Leica store? That I decide to buy a 6K camera to run some tests and another 8k one the day after instead of putting my money to better use ? But way, what would you know about how I use my money? Anyway... I'm pretty sure there is madder things in this world. Starting by the constant need of people to judge, and worst than that, to judge based on the internet, and instagram or a snapchat post... The comment "mad world sad world" may not mean anything just a rhyme or movie title. Certainly it is fine for you to employ people by purchasing their product. Higher price better pay. All good to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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