poli Posted October 14, 2020 Share #1 Posted October 14, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am interested in the small Voigtländer Color Skopar 21mm f/3.5. Since I have a M10-D I won't be able to select a lens in the menu. All my lenses are 6 bit coded. Uncoded 21mm.. will that bring lots of issues I need to solve in post editing? Or is it not too bad? Thanks, paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndreasG Posted October 14, 2020 Share #2 Posted October 14, 2020 I use with the M10-D an Elmarit 2.8/21 from 1989 and a ZM Distagon 4/18, none is coded. No issues with colour fringing, maybe a little vignetting in the corners, which easily can be removed in PP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poli Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted October 14, 2020 Thanks! How are you enjoying the Elmarit? There are some nice 2nd hand offers here locally. So I am also inclined to look at that lens, but it seems a bit biggish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted October 14, 2020 Share #4 Posted October 14, 2020 Like many (all?) recent CV lenses, doesn't this particular one have a recessed groove on the mount that would allow for DIY coding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clactonian Posted October 14, 2020 Share #5 Posted October 14, 2020 I have read that the recommended coding for the CV 21 f4 is 011000 which if setting manually is the same as the Elmarit-M 21mm f2.8 ASPH. See lens reference and code below. You might try the same for the f3.5 Elmarit-M 21mm f/2.8 ASPH 11135 11897 011000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2020 Share #6 Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, poli said: I am interested in the small Voigtländer Color Skopar 21mm f/3.5. Since I have a M10-D I won't be able to select a lens in the menu. All my lenses are 6 bit coded. Uncoded 21mm.. will that bring lots of issues I need to solve in post editing? Or is it not too bad? Thanks, paul Hello Paul, I have the VC 21mm f3.5 and an M10-D too. I managed to code the lens ok and it works fine but the coding will need touching up now and again depending on how much it's used, ( mounted / dismounted ), and what kind of marker you use to code it with. I just use a fine Magic Marker which is ok but maybe nail polish or paint would work better.Coding a VC lens though can be hit or miss, sometime frustratingly so but eventually the planets line up. You could also try to find the older version of this lens, ( LM, the screw mount version ), and fit it with a LM-M mount adapter that has better coding holes machined in. The lenses otherwise are identical optically, with just the barrels updated. It is by the way a great little lens, I like it a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 14, 2020 Share #7 Posted October 14, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 3 Stunden schrieb poli: Thanks! How are you enjoying the Elmarit? There are some nice 2nd hand offers here locally. So I am also inclined to look at that lens, but it seems a bit biggish? The optical performance of the lens is very good, but, as you wrote, it is bulky with a filter diameter of 60mm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpomatic Posted October 14, 2020 Share #8 Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, petermullett said: Hello Paul, I have the VC 21mm f3.5 and an M10-D too. I managed to code the lens ok and it works fine but the coding will need touching up now and again depending on how much it's used, ( mounted / dismounted ), and what kind of marker you use to code it with. I just use a fine Magic Marker which is ok but maybe nail polish or paint would work better.Coding a VC lens though can be hit or miss, sometime frustratingly so but eventually the planets line up. You could also try to find the older version of this lens, ( LM, the screw mount version ), and fit it with a LM-M mount adapter that has better coding holes machined in. The lenses otherwise are identical optically, with just the barrels updated. It is by the way a great little lens, I like it a lot. I think you are talking about the Color-Skopar 21mm F4, not the new F3.5: the F4 is the same lens in M and LTM mount, the F3.5 is a new design. Different lenses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2020 Share #9 Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Harpomatic said: I think you are talking about the Color-Skopar 21mm F4, not the new F3.5: the F4 is the same lens in M and LTM mount, the F3.5 is a new design. Different lenses! Yes Harpomatic, you're right. I meant the Colour Skopar f4. I have the more recent M mount model of the lens, but I used to have the older LTM version at the same time and in use I couldn't see / find any difference between the both of them performance-wise. Nice lenses and perfect sizing on an M body to my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 14, 2020 Share #10 Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Indeed the current CV 21/3.5 is not the same lens as the earlier CV 21/4. The 21/3.5 is significantly sharper at f/4 with more CA than the 21/4. It also has a focus level that you can love or hate. I prefer the regular one of the 21/4 personally. Also the DoF markings of the 21/3.5 are difficult ro read due to the glossy finish. Otherwise it is a great little lens which can compete with the Leica 21/3.4 asph IMHO. Edit: Forgot to say the 21/3.5 does not suffer from red edges on my M240 contrary to my 21/4. Edited October 14, 2020 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpomatic Posted October 14, 2020 Share #11 Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, petermullett said: Yes Harpomatic, you're right. I meant the Colour Skopar f4. I have the more recent M mount model of the lens, but I used to have the older LTM version at the same time and in use I couldn't see / find any difference between the both of them performance-wise. Nice lenses and perfect sizing on an M body to my mind. I have never used the F3.5 but I did use the F4 for an afternoon and really enjoyed it: great size, really nice little lens. Quite a lot of magenta corners though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poli Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted October 14, 2020 Thanks for all answers and info. Sounds like a great alternative to Leica SEM 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 14, 2020 Share #13 Posted October 14, 2020 CV 21/3.5 vs CV 21/4 on M240. No 6-bit coding, no red edge correction, no vignetting correction. F/5.6, focus at infinity. CV 21/3.5: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CV 21/4: 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CV 21/4: ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314210-voigtl%C3%A4nder-color-skopar-21mm-f35-on-m10-d-asking-for-trouble/?do=findComment&comment=4062853'>More sharing options...
poli Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted November 3, 2020 Got the voigtkander 3.5 21. The lens is performing fine on the m10-d. No coding. 21mm is a bit of a challenge though and I am not yet convinced it is my focal length. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314210-voigtl%C3%A4nder-color-skopar-21mm-f35-on-m10-d-asking-for-trouble/?do=findComment&comment=4073462'>More sharing options...
poli Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted November 13, 2020 All in all I was not so happy with the Voigtlander 21. The focus was not very smooth and the amount of crease used to lubricate the lens was a bit of a worry. Also I was no fan of the focus lever. I have returned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marac Posted November 17, 2020 Share #16 Posted November 17, 2020 I have the Voigtlander 21mm f1.8 Nokton, bit of a beast but does produce very nice images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrostl Posted November 17, 2020 Share #17 Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) On 10/14/2020 at 1:19 PM, lct said: Indeed the current CV 21/3.5 is not the same lens as the earlier CV 21/4. The 21/3.5 is significantly sharper at f/4 with more CA than the 21/4. It also has a focus level that you can love or hate. I prefer the regular one of the 21/4 personally. Also the DoF markings of the 21/3.5 are difficult ro read due to the glossy finish. Otherwise it is a great little lens which can compete with the Leica 21/3.4 asph IMHO. Edit: Forgot to say the 21/3.5 does not suffer from red edges on my M240 contrary to my 21/4. I have both the VM 21/4 and VM 21/3.5 (and TT 21/1.5 and Leica 21/3.4...) and this lines up with my ergonomic experience too: the VM 21/3.5 is too small for its own good IMO, between the focus lever and unreadable DOF scale. Vastly prefer the overall ergonomics of the VM 21/4 to it, but the purple edges are no joke on digital. I'm not a big zone focuser, but it's a default mode of operation for me with a 21mm (f/8 and an OVF). Edited November 17, 2020 by astrostl 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 17, 2020 Share #18 Posted November 17, 2020 The CV 21/4 is a bit smaller too but compared to the Leica 21/3.4 asph, the VM 21/3.5 is hard to beat IMHO. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314210-voigtl%C3%A4nder-color-skopar-21mm-f35-on-m10-d-asking-for-trouble/?do=findComment&comment=4082277'>More sharing options...
poli Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted November 18, 2020 I am considering to try the cv 21/4 now. I like the results and performance of the 21/3.5, but the ergonomics (esp lever, not the size of the lens) and excessive amount of lubrication annoy me a bit... Maybe I am too harsh in my judgement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 18, 2020 Share #20 Posted November 18, 2020 The excess of grease is easy ro remove but the focus stick is a matter of tastes obviously. I did not like it at all when i got the lens but it fits well the short focus throw of the lens and i have the same on the CV 35/2 now so I've gotten used to it. BTW the focus ring of mine (or was it the CV 35/2?) was a bit stiff out of the box but feels normally smooth now. I still prefer the handling of the CV 21/4 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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