Chuck Albertson Posted October 22, 2020 Share #61 Posted October 22, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/17/2020 at 9:00 PM, Jeff S said: Learn something new every day. Will explore after sleep. Jeff That was news to me, too. Leica should change the menu item from "JPEG settings" to "EVF/Display Settings." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted October 22, 2020 Share #62 Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chuck Albertson said: That was news to me, too. Leica should change the menu item from "JPEG settings" to "EVF/Display Settings." Yes, I spent a lot of time reviewing, and fine tuning, settings to optimize operation, but ignored any references to JPEG. I have since confirmed that it works, but have not yet explored whether b/w shooting is enhanced as a result. Covid has unfortunately curtailed my photography. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted October 22, 2020 Share #63 Posted October 22, 2020 Great video, really enjoyed and many thanks for posting. https://photographybytomlane.com 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted October 22, 2020 Share #64 Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/16/2020 at 11:09 AM, Dr. G said: Kristian, thank you for the amazing video. I will disagree with you (sort of) on the last point you made in the video. You are correct in stating that equipment, alone, can’t create great images. I have owned the a7r iii and a7r iv with the Zeiss Sony 50mm f/1.4 ZA. I love the rendering of that lens and have gotten some incredible images from that combination. But the Sony color science always required a lot of work on post (FWIW monochrome conversions were always really good with that combination). For some reason, though, when looking at my images from my SL and now my SL2 there is always something I see that just has “more” than when looking at my Sony images. I don’t, however, attribute it just to the technical ability of the camera. With the SL and SL2 in hand I find that I am inspired in a different way - that I slow down just a bit. I view things from a slightly different perspective. The entire camera just feels like an extension of myself. If a camera does that for a photographer then maybe you can, in fact, say that it makes a difference. 1.Count me as one who enjoyed the video also. 2.I have been wondering about the SL. Currently shoot a Sony A7R2 with three Zeiss Batis lenses along side a CL with its native lenses. Just can`t seem to get on with the Sony colour either. The video and your experience has given me food for thought . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 22, 2020 Share #65 Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) A very fair explanation of the SL, thank you, @Kristian Dowling. I'm glad you make the point about how well this system worked at launch (which was when I bought mine). I think it's an astonishing achievement for Leica to launch a brand new top end camera system* which worked spectacularly well, had no significant failings (cf M8 IR contamination, M9 sensor corrosion, M240 freezes & strap lugs, M10 ISO dial), and was way ahead of the competition (only the Sony A7 at the time) in so many ways (the A7 had its own merits, and failings - shutter noise/vibration). I posted my SL to an ebay buyer last week, having replaced it with the SL2. I used mine, as an amateur, not as intensively as you have, but it has still been my workhorse for events, portraiture and performance photography, where its cosmetic looks are of lesser priority than taking the knocks and doing the job. It still looked pretty fresh bar a few marks around the hotshoe and EVF housing. *The T, which came a few months beforehand, can be seen in hindsight as a test bed for the new technology in the SL: the L-mount, and the machined cast alloy body. Edited October 22, 2020 by LocalHero1953 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted October 23, 2020 Share #66 Posted October 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Jeff S said: Yes, I spent a lot of time reviewing, and fine tuning, settings to optimize operation, but ignored any references to JPEG. I have since confirmed that it works, but have not yet explored whether b/w shooting is enhanced as a result. Covid has unfortunately curtailed my photography. Jeff It applies the monochrome setting to the JPEG preview embedded in the Raw file. When I ingest the Raw file into Photo Mechanic for captioning and keywording, it brings up the monochrome JPEG preview. Importing the Raw file into Lightroom restores the color. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Dowling Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #67 Posted October 23, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 hours ago, lanetomlane said: Great video, really enjoyed and many thanks for posting. https://photographybytomlane.com Thanks Tom, glad you liked it. Some nice work on your site too! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Dowling Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #68 Posted October 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Michael Markey said: 1.Count me as one who enjoyed the video also. 2.I have been wondering about the SL. Currently shoot a Sony A7R2 with three Zeiss Batis lenses along side a CL with its native lenses. Just can`t seem to get on with the Sony colour either. The video and your experience has given me food for thought . Thanks for the feedback and self-reflection. I think perspective is very important, probably more so than bare comparisons. Having the ability to self-analyse to discover what works best for you is sometimes better than drawing comparisons. If something sin't working, find a solution, whether it be in-house or externally, like in the SL for example. As long as we are prioritising our work, we will always find a way to be satisfied. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Dowling Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #69 Posted October 23, 2020 13 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: A very fair explanation of the SL, thank you, @Kristian Dowling. I'm glad you make the point about how well this system worked at launch (which was when I bought mine). I think it's an astonishing achievement for Leica to launch a brand new top end camera system* which worked spectacularly well, had no significant failings (cf M8 IR contamination, M9 sensor corrosion, M240 freezes & strap lugs, M10 ISO dial), and was way ahead of the competition (only the Sony A7 at the time) in so many ways (the A7 had its own merits, and failings - shutter noise/vibration). I posted my SL to an ebay buyer last week, having replaced it with the SL2. I used mine, as an amateur, not as intensively as you have, but it has still been my workhorse for events, portraiture and performance photography, where its cosmetic looks are of lesser priority than taking the knocks and doing the job. It still looked pretty fresh bar a few marks around the hotshoe and EVF housing. *The T, which came a few months beforehand, can be seen in hindsight as a test bed for the new technology in the SL: the L-mount, and the machined cast alloy body. Congrats on the SL2, a fine upgrade choice if you enjoyed the SL. The latest offerings have certainly helped with consumer and user confidence in Leica's current lineup. Once thing I did not mention was the product lifecycle, and its significance in terms of long-term confidence, buyer satisfaction, and value retention. That I hope worked out in your upgrading venture. All the best, KD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 23, 2020 Share #70 Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Kristian Dowling said: Congrats on the SL2, a fine upgrade choice if you enjoyed the SL. The latest offerings have certainly helped with consumer and user confidence in Leica's current lineup. Once thing I did not mention was the product lifecycle, and its significance in terms of long-term confidence, buyer satisfaction, and value retention. That I hope worked out in your upgrading venture. All the best, KD Thanks! The SL2 has had limited use in the couple of months I've had it during the pandemic so far: mainly one outdoor theatre production, and one series of video interviews. I got it mainly for the IBIS and improved low light colours - i.e. for use in indoor natural light. The choice to upgrade arose from an aggregation of several incremental improvements, and not from any major failing in the SL. I would also have been happy to remain at 24Mp. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted October 24, 2020 Share #71 Posted October 24, 2020 Excellent video Kristian. I have been reading your blog as well for years. One question: you mention that the autofocus on the SL2 remedies the problems with the SL. Could you elaborate on this? Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2020 Share #72 Posted October 24, 2020 Its a dreadful indictment on the modern world when keeping a camera for 5 years is headline news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per P. Posted October 25, 2020 Share #73 Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/18/2020 at 5:35 AM, Kristian Dowling said: All you need to do is set you colour saturation setting to 'monochrome' Thank you for the video and this tip Kristian. It makes things simpler and btw also works on the M10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted October 25, 2020 Share #74 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) On 10/18/2020 at 12:57 PM, Kristian Dowling said: Thats why I love the M. Its not easy to use, but at the same time, most M buyers probably shouldn't buy it in the first place. A majority would be better of with an SL or a Q’. Wow! That’s a biggie of a statement. ‘Most M buyers probably shouldn’t buy it.........’ I’m not certain where your mind is on this one? Edited October 25, 2020 by BlackBarn Aa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted October 26, 2020 Share #75 Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, BlackBarn said: Wow! That’s a biggie of a statement. ‘Most M buyers probably shouldn’t buy it.........’ I’m not certain where your mind is on this one? Lets be real, how many of Leica's M camera are sold to Pros, or dare I say competent hobbyists? Too many silly editions for collectors to buy those, and a healthy number of pre-retiring dentists and GPs - I respect all trades and walks in life, I need to mention it - get their Ms like other get Rolexes. Nothing wrong with this if it maintains the M and brand alive and well, although jacking up prices and certainly diverting too much of the Leica RnD dept. attention away from other lines up (CL, T, SL, S). You hear so many complaining about Ms being slow to focus etc, etc, while if you really practice it is one of the best camera there is around for this, and IQ, in this package size. The number of digital M for sale with shutter actuations below 3 to 5000 for 3, 5, 9 years old cameras is mad, and a good indication that most people who buy them dont use/know/or truly enjoy it. Same for the numerous populations of second-hand Noctiluxes 50, regularly on sale at the same time at RedDotCameras, it is a good indication of lenses dilletantes buy, use it a couple of times, and sell it back. I got my 4 year old M9 with 2800 clics on it, sold it 5 years later with 100 000 on it. Same day I sold my 50f2 to some "her doktor" in Germany who claimed he owned/sold/bought again.... 4 of those exact same lenses. And he doesnt even own an M camera, and told me the lens I sold him in august stayed in the cupboard until last week, just to have a play with it: no pictures taken. 🤪 . A charming gentleman anyhow, but not an isolated case. I loved my Ms and used them to bit for my photography, as an aspiring and then eventualy pro, but I had to sell it all to transition to SL system, which is absolutely great. I will get another M whenever possible to go alongside with. Probably some second-hand barely used-mint M10P silver from one of those guys, they essentialy test drive it for me and get rid of taxmoney+deflation for me. Dont believe me about those people? check this out: http://summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97209 M10r un-opened, bought in august when it was virtually unavailable in stores worldwide, except to the people on top of the seller's lists of regular buyers. Some of those list include pros and otherwise excellent photographers, but mostly not.So to rebound on the "most people probably shouldn't buy Ms" I say there is nothing to prevent them from doing so, and they help maintain the brand afloat, and with the trickle-down economics of second hand market make it available to others inderectly like myself, once they sell their toys they dont always understand. Albeit at the cost of inflated prices, excecrable brand image and marketing bloat taking over from R and D that would be more meaningful to some other folks. Edited October 26, 2020 by Slender 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted October 26, 2020 Share #76 Posted October 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Slender said: and they help maintain the brand afloat, I’m with you on this and would like to add that the ‘probably shouldn’t be M’s’ are probably the reason the SL and Q exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted October 27, 2020 Share #77 Posted October 27, 2020 So yeah all I am saying they shouldn't as "practitioners", but defitively can (should?) as "customers" plain and simple for leica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumirebus Posted October 27, 2020 Share #78 Posted October 27, 2020 Hi @Kristian Dowling I just started small photography business (was out of job for almost half a year due to damn covid) and decided to try to take my passion in doing studio portraiture and small group events (parties and such). My first major investment is SL2 - but still can't decide which lens. What is your lens recommendation for a start? thank you 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Dowling Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share #79 Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 3:47 AM, skimmel said: Excellent video Kristian. I have been reading your blog as well for years. One question: you mention that the autofocus on the SL2 remedies the problems with the SL. Could you elaborate on this? Thanks. Thank you. Well the lack of continuous focusing performance is now usable on the SL2. I won't go as far as to say it's better than other brands leading the eye control focusing charge, but its significantly better than the technology in the 5 year old SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Dowling Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share #80 Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 9:58 AM, steve 1959 said: Its a dreadful indictment on the modern world when keeping a camera for 5 years is headline news. Haha, yes I know, but remember I'm a hard working photographer, not a doctor or lawyer 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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