M10M - iso 25000 photos

[chasdfg]

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I cap my M10M at 12500 for auto ISO because I found sticking to lower ISOs gives me more latitude to make adjustments and push files in post (easily by 2 stops or more). My M setting is 32,000. If the exposure is more or less correct I wouldn't have any issue shooting ISO 50,000. I have shot ISO 100,000 on occasion especially when I first got the camera. It is useable, but IIRC (it's been almost 1.5 years since i meddled with those files), tweaking those files more in post led to banding and artefacts, hence my decision to stick to auto ISO at 12500, M to 32000.

@DennisI read in another thread you were looking into a Q2M. I think monochrom cameras are fantastic additions to anyone's kits, though if i were in your shoes i'd get an M Monochrom unless you particularly love 28mm and need the autofocus. You get to use all your M glass on the M camera too. Just my thoughts!

 

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[Dennis]

14 minutes ago, chasdfg said:

I cap my M10M at 12500 for auto ISO because I found sticking to lower ISOs gives me more latitude to make adjustments and push files in post (easily by 2 stops or more). My M setting is 32,000. If the exposure is more or less correct I wouldn't have any issue shooting ISO 50,000. I have shot ISO 100,000 on occasion especially when I first got the camera. It is useable, but IIRC (it's been almost 1.5 years since i meddled with those files), tweaking those files more in post led to banding and artefacts, hence my decision to stick to auto ISO at 12500, M to 32000.

@DennisI read in another thread you were looking into a Q2M. I think monochrom cameras are fantastic additions to anyone's kits, though if i were in your shoes i'd get an M Monochrom unless you particularly love 28mm and need the autofocus. You get to use all your M glass on the M camera too. Just my thoughts!

 

Yes, I'm still looking (thinking) into a Q2M. If the price was the same, I would probably get an M10M. But these +$3k , mmm... And I'm sure the Q2M is fun to shoot with. Very different approach. I don't need autofocus, or EVF. But I would love to experiment both together among with the 28mm FL and the Monochrome preview in the EVF. Such a difference.

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The Q2M would nicely open a new EVF monochrome preview world. But I know that with M10M (or any M monochrome cameras) I can use already all lenses that I love so much, such a difference. This is what I'm thinking.

 

 

[chasdfg]

5 hours ago, Dennis said:

Yes, I'm still looking (thinking) into a Q2M. If the price was the same, I would probably get an M10M. But these +$3k , mmm... And I'm sure the Q2M is fun to shoot with. Very different approach. I don't need autofocus, or EVF. But I would love to experiment both together among with the 28mm FL and the Monochrome preview in the EVF. Such a difference.

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The Q2M would nicely open a new EVF monochrome preview world. But I know that with M10M (or any M monochrome cameras) I can use already all lenses that I love so much, such a difference. This is what I'm thinking.

 

 

Have you considered the M246? You could probably also pick up an Olympus EVF-2 (same as the Leica one) and have occasional EVF shooting with the M246 (not the best EVF though).  It uses different batteries as the M10 and has a different body profile, but same could be said about the Q2M anyway.

I always enjoyed shooting with the Qs. I see the appeal of a Q2M as well and it's not an easy choice between M Mono vs Q2M..lucky for me the Q's focal length made it easier to not keep one in my lineup long term.

 

To avoid digressing, here's a shot taken with a 50mm (cropped for better framing) at ISO 50,000 on the M10M. 

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[Dennis]

5 hours ago, chasdfg said:

Have you considered the M246?

No. I didn't consider any monochrome camera until a few weeks ago. There are many items I'm considering right now. More urgent, it's a 35 Summicron Asph v1 that I would probably buy within the next two weeks, fingers crossed. 

Then, I can think about a bw camera, or a new 21 SEM... What about that? In september I will take back the monochrome topic and see.

Step by step. The Leica world changed the way I see and shoot, and it's wonderful. Fortunately, it's not GAS. Pure passion! With a little of GAS 😆

 

[didier]

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

The Leica world changed the way I see and shoot, and it's wonderful. Fortunately, it's not GAS. Pure passion! With a little of GAS 😆

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[Herr Barnack]

1 hour ago, Dennis said:

...The Leica world changed the way I see and shoot, and it's wonderful. Fortunately, it's not GAS. Pure passion! With a little of GAS 😆

 

Same here.  The Leica way is an entirely different path.

Edited August 21, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[Dennis]

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I wrote a WOW in my post because the M10M high iso capabilities are outstanding. And definitely a game-changer. Why needing ibis when you have such iso performance when you can shoot between 1/4000 and 1/500 all the time 🙂 I would love to conside the M10M as an excellent addition to all my imagery. Not only for my daily passion but even for my work. It's a considerable investment, but I'm sure that it is really worth every penny.

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I'm definitely be looking forward to adding a 21mm to the M family. Then, once I have 21+35+50, I will shoot something with Leica M exclusively: an assignment, an editorial job, a documentary project, even a wedding. Oh yeah! I'm buying new stuff very carefully, and so far I didn't make any wrong decision, yet with Leica M. I don't want to own gear I don't use. So this lenses kit with M10 plus a M10M would work as charm.

As mentioned before in other threads, I will soon (within next 3-6 months) switch my primary camera system. And it's a lot of new stuff. So the budget for the Monochrom magically disappears lol.

Bye-bye, Nikon D5, and DSLR monsters. I'm ready for an EVF 🙂 I'm waiting for the release of the new Sony A7IV, the Nikon Z9 and The Canon R3. Once all these cameras are out, among the SL2-S, I will make my choice. Of course I have already preferences and ideas, but let's wait and the decide.

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Now, back on topic. High iso performance it's important to me. I have a system of fixed and faves f/stops, SS, and iso... Having a camera like the M10M would make my workflow even faster. The M246, how does it perform with high iso? With my M10, I usually don't go beyond 3200. 6400 only when REALLY needed. So, a great 12500 iso (only) would be a huge step forward for me.

 

 

[mmradman]

22 hours ago, Dennis said:

I wrote a WOW in my post because the M10M high iso capabilities are outstanding. And definitely a game-changer. Why needing ibis when you have such iso performance when you can shoot between 1/4000 and 1/500 all the time 🙂 I would love to conside the M10M as an excellent addition to all my imagery. Not only for my daily passion but even for my work. It's a considerable investment, but I'm sure that it is really worth every penny.

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I'm definitely be looking forward to adding a 21mm to the M family. Then, once I have 21+35+50, I will shoot something with Leica M exclusively: an assignment, an editorial job, a documentary project, even a wedding. Oh yeah! I'm buying new stuff very carefully, and so far I didn't make any wrong decision, yet with Leica M. I don't want to own gear I don't use. So this lenses kit with M10 plus a M10M would work as charm.

As mentioned before in other threads, I will soon (within next 3-6 months) switch my primary camera system. And it's a lot of new stuff. So the budget for the Monochrom magically disappears lol.

Bye-bye, Nikon D5, and DSLR monsters. I'm ready for an EVF 🙂 I'm waiting for the release of the new Sony A7IV, the Nikon Z9 and The Canon R3. Once all these cameras are out, among the SL2-S, I will make my choice. Of course I have already preferences and ideas, but let's wait and the decide.

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Now, back on topic. High iso performance it's important to me. I have a system of fixed and faves f/stops, SS, and iso... Having a camera like the M10M would make my workflow even faster. The M246, how does it perform with high iso? With my M10, I usually don't go beyond 3200. 6400 only when REALLY needed. So, a great 12500 iso (only) would be a huge step forward for me.

 

 

 

I use M246 and when I really “get creative” indoors and after sunset my minimum ISO is 3200 and up.  Long lenses like 50, 75 and 90mm for me turn sharp images with 4xFL shutter speed.

If you wish to freeze movement very quickly your ISO ramps up, shooting at /500 sec is good light territory.

For me M10M is incremental upgrade, heck, old M246 have advantages in its own right, solid battery, everybody likes good long battery life, and video if that is your thing. I’ll wait to see what M11 platform brings to the market, for what I wish and want I may have to wait for a bit longer,  M12 at least (EVF version, IBIS), I can wait, M246 is not going anywhere.

M246 up to iso 6400 is excellent, it will tolerate bit of underexposure, above 6400 it is ok but you must be careful not to underexpose, for night shots I would even slight overexposure, expose for shadows.

You mention Canon/Nikon/Sony mirrorless, I use Z7, it’s IBIS is real game changer, I never had so many images at low ISO. I keep an eye on Z9 rumour mill with aim to pair with forthcoming 200-600, already have 70-200 among few other Z lenses, interesting times ahead.

Edited August 22, 2021 by mmradman

[stefanusj]

On 9/12/2020 at 3:10 PM, didier said:

Show us some pics ! 😊

M10M+35APO, ISO64K JPEG

I think ISO 64K is still usable with M10 Monochrome. The Noise is still OK in my eyes (maybe because i'm also used to see the grain from Kodak TMAX3200)

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M10M, ISO 50K, 35mm Summicron, no edits

 

 

 

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M10M, ISO 80K, APO 35mm Summicron, no edits

 

I love how high ISO photos look from this camera, this was 80K iso with no edits just to share an example of a straight out of camera look.

I think the way the noise at these higher levels adds something nice to the photo and doesn't bother me at all, I sometimes prefer to shoot at a higher ISO for this reason

 

 

 

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Edited August 25, 2021 by dsm21

[stefanusj]

18 hours ago, dsm21 said:

 

M10M, ISO 80K, APO 35mm Summicron, no edits

 

I love how high ISO photos look from this camera, this was 80K iso with no edits just to share an example of a straight out of camera look.

I think the way the noise at these higher levels adds something nice to the photo and doesn't bother me at all, I sometimes prefer to shoot at a higher ISO for this reason

 

 

 

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[Dennis]

I was at the LHSA event last week. I loaned an SL2-S, an M10M, and a Q2M. Without entering into details (not my thread and not wanting to be out of topic), I finally got a Q2M 🙂
I found M10M superior at 25k iso and more, but for a few reasons, and with the fantastic 12.5k iso of the Q2M, I'm so so happy.
I don't really think I need more. With the Ibis (when required), the fast lens, and the 12.5k performance of the Q2M, one can do whatever one wants, especially when my other M cameras and Dslr have (mine) limit at 3200/6400.
Still have to edit many photos, but I can share one at 12.5k… it was very dark… No way I can take this one with my M10

 

 

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Edited October 29, 2021 by Dennis

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50,000 ISO M 10 M 35 Lux FLE

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