enchong Posted August 14, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi would like to know if there are those whose Auto WB improved when they updated their firmware..... I have to LR all my photos to correct WB. Is this how you guys all do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elopezso Posted August 14, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 14, 2007 I use the WhiBal card; it's easy and very accurate. Best of luck. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGeoJO Posted August 14, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 14, 2007 Well, I didn't see much improvement either, if any. If you shoot RAW, which is practically mandatory with this camera, the AWB performance shouldn't matter, in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdi Posted August 14, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 14, 2007 Well, I didn't see much improvement either, if any. If you shoot RAW, which is practically mandatory with this camera, the AWB performance shouldn't matter, in my opinion. Yeah, the white balance is the same, and so is the ISO 2500 noise. Contrary to what heard prior to uprading.. And I don't care much about the first issue, but ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted August 14, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 14, 2007 Don't know - never use it. If I'm in daylight that's what I use, if I'm in tungsten that's what I use etc., etc., etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted August 14, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 14, 2007 Don't know - never use it. If I'm in daylight that's what I use, if I'm in tungsten that's what I use etc., etc., etc. Agreed ... ALWAYS work in RAW, and if it's mixed or I've been working quickly in reportage I use a LR pre-set which imposes an auto on the imported batch and then fine tune in LR. I now can't distinguish between end results colour-wise whether I'm working with 1DM2 / 5D or M8. What's the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkuo Posted August 14, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree with the above. I don't see the point of using auto WB at all. Just use manual and set to daylight/tungsten, etc. Think of it as using daylight balanced film. Of course shoot RAW and adjust afterward if necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 14, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 14, 2007 I wouldn't care if the AWB was perfected in this firmware, I'm not upgrading. Finally I got an M8 (#3) that hasn't died suddenly, I'm prepared to live with its remaining bugs and glitches until the M9 (or at least until Leica issues an upgrade with a specific list of features, not vague and cryptic allusions). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gregory Posted August 15, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 15, 2007 I have taken a shot in daylight with AWB set and then changed to manual white balance, downloaded the shots and can see no differerence between the two settings now. So in my case I would say it is improved as there was a difference when I did this before. Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnsh Posted August 16, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 16, 2007 Hi would like to know if there are those whose Auto WB improved when they updated their firmware..... I have to LR all my photos to correct WB. Is this how you guys all do it? Mine seems better on the whole for indoor shots but outside can still be unpredictable, eg. going very 'cold' occasionally. As the others say, taking DNG is best. I also use an Expodisc sometimes and find that is usually very helpful. Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 16, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 16, 2007 The thread title is overstating the case imo.. In my close family we have four M8's - three users and we agree, in AWB more than 80% of the shots are spot -on, 15 % needs slight corrections and less than 5 %, far less, go "Ice-Queen blue", which is a 1 second correction in DNG conversion. I admit it is a bit disconcerting on the LCD, but it is a harmless quirk. Most digital cameras I know don't achieve the 80 % spot-on btw. There it is more like 40% good -59 % minor correction - 1% way-off. More PS work than the Leica situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 16, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 16, 2007 Hi would like to know if there are those whose Auto WB improved when they updated their firmware..... I have to LR all my photos to correct WB. Is this how you guys all do it? HI Lorenzo I agree with Jaap - it works most of the time. With respect to the firmware update - as far as I know it wasn't intended to improve the Auto White balance. My understanding is that the next firmware should do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrmd Posted August 16, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 16, 2007 I don't see any improvement in the AWB with the new firmware. I wouldn't say it is correct most of the time, but I would say it is correct some of the time. It is especially whimsical indoors; I have had readings from 2850 to 7400K. Regardless of that, if one shoots Raw, it is very simple to correct in ACR, and as someone said earlier in the thread, using the WhiBal card makes it very easy to correct. Regards. DR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 16, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 16, 2007 With respect to the firmware update - as far as I know it wasn't intended to improve the Auto White balance. My understanding is that the next firmware should do that. I'm not very hopeful on that,Jono. I believe the final cure would be an external WB sensor like the Digilux2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enchong Posted August 18, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted August 18, 2007 Thanks guys!! I am now using more DNG for color so that solves the WB issue when I fix on LR. I am seeing very good monochrome photos though which is really what I use my old M6 and M7 for.... Enchong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catatac Posted September 4, 2007 Share #16 Posted September 4, 2007 I shouldn't really complain on my first post but the WB function kinda bugs me as well. Doesnt matter which of the pre-sets I use, shadow, daylight, etc, it usually comes out strange particularly indoors. Last night at the airport, for some inexplicable reason, all my photos looked liked they were bathed in butter (chose fluorescent setting). I shoot in RAW so it doesnt matter as only takes 1 sec to auto in C4 but I wish I didnt have to do that. In the past I've used Canon and Nikon DSLR's and their AWB function were also pretty horrible. My venting for the day...amen Btw, hi I am based in Beijing but live half my life on a plane commuting from BJ to SP. Aside from the WB and no EV dial, I love my M8 ! It's brought so much enjoyment back into taking photos again. Taxing on the brain as you need to think HARD about composition beforehand rather than the machine gun auto-focus approach when using the DSLR but I looooove it Oh, the lenses I am using at the moment are the ZM 25/2.8 and the Lux 50/1.4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 4, 2007 Share #17 Posted September 4, 2007 The problem with the presets is that they are exactly that - pre-defined fixed values for WB which are much more likely to be out than not - so for me are the bottom of the pile. AWB is a work in progress, it's better than when the camera first came out but the camera doesn't have the measuring capability outside the image that a DSLR might have. In difficult/mixed lighting situations, there's no substitute for using a white card or colour meter. As for your assertion that DSLR AWB "was also pretty horrible", you don't say which DSLRs you were using but my experience of the D2X is that it get's it close most of the time, enough for me not to even think about it for the majority of shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 4, 2007 Share #18 Posted September 4, 2007 Jaap, I dont agree at all. My d2x and d200 have much better whyite balance, the best WB I ever experienced was the Oly E1 I once owned. The M8 is the first digital camera which is so often off that I started to use the presets and often change later in raw conversion if necessary. However I dont find this to be a big problem. cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 4, 2007 Share #19 Posted September 4, 2007 Anyhow, quite apart from the fact that colour temperature is an objective and measurable parameter, it is also clear that the desired colour balance in a photograph is one of the decisions a photographer must make, like focus, aperture and exposure. Any automation is likely to be wrong, as correct as it may be objectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 4, 2007 Share #20 Posted September 4, 2007 Anyhow, quite apart from the fact that colour temperature is an objective and measurable parameter, it is also clear that the desired colour balance in a photograph is one of the decisions a photographer must make, like focus, aperture and exposure. Any automation is likely to be wrong, as correct as it may be objectively. I agree, however some camera seem to get closer to what I "think" to have seen with my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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