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1 hour ago, Milan_S said:

The Thalia cine lenses are based of the Medium Format S lenses

I don't have experience with either lenses and no idea how close they are but most medium format S lenses are aspherical whereas Thalia lenses are spherical.

From what I read about Thalia lenses and the footage I saw, I would love to see a new M range with such characteristics (spherical, more gradual focus fall off than the aspherical lenses and perfectly round iris at any aperture) could achieve. Let them be moderately fast to keep size in control, say e39 size. Neither plastic nor rubber anywhere, full brass, a little extra weight does not really matter for small lenses and if it does for anyone without health condition, it means lugging to many of them at the same time… I would also see this characteristic (the perfectly round iris) fit perfectly in the continuation of the re-edition of vintage lenses such as started with the Summaron 28mm.

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On 3/10/2020 at 3:30 AM, a.noctilux said:

Yes, as I like the Noctilux 1.0 but better (second ...or first ) choice would be what Del-Uks advice, pre-asph Summilux-M 50mm same Mandler's creation as the 1.0.

As they have same optical cell Summilux-M 50mm "II" or "III" does have same rendering, so grab what you find.

 

Some words about aspherical Summilux-M 50mm..., I have three different bodies of same "optical cell" .

"II" with longer focus throw can be good choice if one uses at close distance (to 1m) at f/1.4 or f/2.

Side note, in same situation, easier than Noctilux 1.0 which has narrower focus ring, and some more weight and more finder blockage.

I find that the short focus throw of the "III" can be harder to precise focussing at same situation, even if it does focus closer to 70cm.

The Summilux 50mm "I" is another matter.

Absolutely agree with everything a.noctilux explains in comparisons of Noctiluxes themselves and with the Summilux 50 v3. The v3, btw, has none of the field curvature I found to be unpleasant with the otherwise delightful Summilux ASPH.

The advantages of the Summilux are that it is much, much smaller (no finder blockage), it focuses 30cm closer and with more clarity, and its higher contrast seems to suit MM better than the 50/1. The advantage of the 50/1 is that sometimes the rendering is not the same as the Summilux v3... rather, it is other worldly!

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