Help Switching from LR to Capture One

[ELAN]

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Like many others here I am done with Adobe and trying out Capture One 20.  Three issues are holding me back from switching to C1, perhaps someone here can show me the light. 

1.  No M10-P profile. The Generic Profile is under-saturated and flat, the M10 profile is over-saturated and too contrasty.  Neither are a good starting point.  Perhaps someone can share their M10-P profile? 

2.  How do I Import from SD card into a Catalog and have date-based album hierarchies created just like in LR.  I managed to create date-based folders on disk, but not “albums” under User Collections.  How do I get albums created automatically on import like those created temporarily under “Recent Imports”? 

3. All my finished work is published to Smugmug.  With the LR plug-in it’s very convenient to publish, especially when older photos are retouched and re-published with one click.  For those using Smugmug, what is your publishing workflow on Capture One? 

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

[Richardgb]

There are several videos on the Capture One website as well as on YouTube generally about switching from LR to C1, though you still have to be prepared for the learning curve (which I'm on). All the videos I've found so far opine the 'glass-half-full' rather than 'glass-half-empty', in other words all are generally saying that C1 is 'better' than LR, although whether this is so for you i.e. it fits in with your workflow - cannot be predicted.

There is more on the topic in this thread and elsewhere in the Forum.

[rim_light]

On 12/22/2019 at 3:55 PM, ELAN said:

2.  How do I Import from SD card into a Catalog and have date-based album hierarchies created just like in LR.  I managed to create date-based folders on disk, but not “albums” under User Collections.  How do I get albums created automatically on import like those created temporarily under “Recent Imports”? 

Don't know if you did know this, but you can create date-based folders just without thinking about it. Pls have a look at the first screenshot. In the second screenshot you can see, that there are date-based folders at the catalog view provided. Or you choose the filter the choose the date you want (screenshot 3)

Don't know if that helps you.

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[ELAN]

On 12/26/2019 at 2:22 PM, rim_light said:

...you can create date-based folders...

Thanks of your reply.  Yes, I am creating date folders on disk as you show.  

What I want is to create date-based Albums in the User Collection when importing.  And as Lightroom does it, I'd like for multiple date albums to be created when the card has images from consecutive dates.  So if I return from an awesome trip and have 3 days of images the following Albums would be created on import:

2019-12-24  Awesome trip 

2019-12-25  Awesome trip 

2019-12-26  Awesome trip 

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[jaapv]

On 12/22/2019 at 3:55 PM, ELAN said:

Like many others here I am done with Adobe and trying out Capture One 20.  Three issues are holding me back from switching to C1, perhaps someone here can show me the light. 

1.  No M10-P profile. The Generic Profile is under-saturated and flat, the M10 profile is over-saturated and too contrasty.  Neither are a good starting point.  Perhaps someone can share their M10-P profile? 

2.  How do I Import from SD card into a Catalog and have date-based album hierarchies created just like in LR.  I managed to create date-based folders on disk, but not “albums” under User Collections.  How do I get albums created automatically on import like those created temporarily under “Recent Imports”? 

3. All my finished work is published to Smugmug.  With the LR plug-in it’s very convenient to publish, especially when older photos are retouched and re-published with one click.  For those using Smugmug, what is your publishing workflow on Capture One? 

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

I cannot understand why people who dislike the Adobe subscription model do not switch to Photoshop Elements, which is basically Lightroom in a different skin and a purchased licence. It avoids cumbersome learning curves and the need to relearn postprocessing in for instance C1, which I never could mesh with. There are other LR-like programs as well, like ON1.

[LocalHero1953]

It's a long time since I used Elements, but my recollection of it was that it was a destructive editor, used only 8 bits, couldn't do batch tasks, like renaming and synchronising edits, and had nothing like the LR print module. Has all that changed?

[jaapv]

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As far as I know yes. It appears to have layers to avoid destructive editing and I think it can do 16 bits. Disclaimer - I am no guru or even user- I stick with Photoshop for its unrivaled editing power and am not unhappy with the subscription model. (why not, I subscribe to so many other things and think nothing of it)

[ELAN]

19 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I cannot understand why people who dislike the Adobe subscription model do not switch to Photoshop Elements, which is basically Lightroom in a different skin and a purchased licence. It avoids cumbersome learning curves and the need to relearn postprocessing in for instance C1, which I never could mesh with. There are other LR-like programs as well, like ON1.

Because maybe we hate Adobe more than we dislike Lightroom.

Capture One 20 is pretty cool.  It certainly processes images more to my liking than LR does, despite not having an M10-P profile.  If I could only get my workflow to flow with C1 I would dump Adobe in a heartbeat.

Edited December 28, 2019 by ELAN

[jaapv]

Hate Adobe? In that case you should sell your Leicas and switch to a camera that does not use DNG.

I think it is pretty silly to "hate" a company. Dislike a product*, if you want, but reserve your hates for living things.

*Like I dislike Capture One for instance. I used to like and even prefer the original versions, but when they changed the structure it became completely unusable for me. It is totally counter-intuitive in my perception.

And I never forgave the policy that pulled the plug on the DMR. - But it would not stop me from using the software if it were halfway useful to me.

[ELAN]

25 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Hate Adobe? In that case you should sell your Leicas and switch to a camera that does not use DNG.

I think it is pretty silly to "hate" a company. Dislike a product, if you want, but reserve your hates for living things.

Yes, I do.  Always did.  I don't like how they treat customers, how they layout their bloatware on my machine, how they force their "creative cloud" on me, how their inefficient software spins the fans on my MBP, and I don't like their attitude in general.  I certainly don't like being forced into subscription models, especially those that improve the software so little over the life of the subscription.  This from an Adobe customer since the 1990s.

And I'm sorry, I fail to see why I should sell my Leicas because I dislike Adobe???  So what if the file format is DNG?  Should I also sell my Mac because it uses PDF?

Edited December 28, 2019 by ELAN

[jaapv]

You’re completely entitled to your opinions, but I certainly do not recognize them. 
I like Photoshop, I think the gradual upgrade system works , and I do not grudge them their business model, as I don’t grudge newspapers, antivirus software, the AA, the football club, and many others their subscriptions. 
BTW, the C1 subscription is twice as high as CC. 

[frame-it]

2 hours ago, ELAN said:

Thanks of your reply.  Yes, I am creating date folders on disk as you show.  

What I want is to create date-based Albums in the User Collection when importing.  And as Lightroom does it, I'd like for multiple date albums to be created when the card has images from consecutive dates.  So if I return from an awesome trip and have 3 days of images the following Albums would be created on import:

2019-12-24  Awesome trip 

2019-12-25  Awesome trip 

2019-12-26  Awesome trip 

 

https://www.azuloxworkshops.com/educational/capture-one/capture-one-catalogs-vs-sessions/

[LocalHero1953]

Is Capture One only subscription now? Or can one still buy a standalone version?

[Wyck]

13 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Is Capture One only subscription now? Or can one still buy a standalone version?

You can still buy the standalone version.

Elan, have you tried posting your questions on the Phase One User Forum?

https://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewforum.php?f=78

 

[rim_light]

3 hours ago, ELAN said:

Thanks of your reply.  Yes, I am creating date folders on disk as you show.  

What I want is to create date-based Albums in the User Collection when importing.  And as Lightroom does it, I'd like for multiple date albums to be created when the card has images from consecutive dates.  So if I return from an awesome trip and have 3 days of images the following Albums would be created on import:

2019-12-24  Awesome trip 

2019-12-25  Awesome trip 

2019-12-26  Awesome trip 

There are several options. Maybe it's the easiest way to make an intelligent album with all picture within the dates. Another way is to make an album and choose at import the albumname. 

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[Wyck]

13 minutes ago, rim_light said:

There are several options. Maybe it's the easiest way to make an intelligent album with all picture within the dates. Another way is to make an album and choose at import the albumname. 

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I've just been looking at this too.  The only problem here for Elan is you have to create the album first and I think the request is for the album to be generated from the dates of the files on import.

Here is a link to a C1 support page with instructions on what rim_light has posted.

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002515558-Adding-images-to-a-Collection-on-import

I have various catalogues for projects.  I also have a standard catalogue for each year for all my general rubbish I tend to photograph that doesn't fit into one of my long term projects.  I've created a template catalogue that contains smart albums that have a generic name that I rename for the catalogues purpose.  So for example I will start a new catalogue any day now for 2020, this will be built around my template - File | New Catalog and I will then select the template I have made that I use for all new catalogs.  See image below of a catalog for my dog called Boozer.  So when I go through my images and colour tag them they appear in the relevant colour graded smart album. 

I hope this helps and sorry if this is very basic, it's just the way I've been using C1.

[ELAN]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have read the Phase One forum and saw similar questions to which there were no solutions.  Albums need to be created manually and imported photos need to be selected and manually added to albums.  But I realized I don't need to create Albums at all as long as import folders are created based on image date plus metadata description (as title), which is really all I need.

My real showstopper is part 3 of my question - exporting finished images to albums in Smugmug.  In LR it's a couple clicks to create albums on Smugmug and upload all images directly from LR.  In C1 (without a plug-in yet) one needs to export JPGs to disk, create albums in Smugmug and upload the JPGs.  Quite a lot of clicks in 3 applications to get it done.  But the worst part is editing already published images.  C1 doesn't tell which images have been touched-up and need to be re-exported,  and it doesn't overwrite JPGs that are already on disk (lots of people on the Phase One forum are really mad about this!) so you end up with multiple image names to work though before manually uploading to Smugmug.  Not a workflow I can live with.

I really do like C1 and wish I could migrate to it.  But it seems Phase One isn't very responsive to simple user requests.  The overwrite files yes/no request mentioned above is a years-old open issue.  And the Leica M10-P has been out for 16 months now and still no profile.  I'm not fond of unresponsive software makers.

 

[rim_light]

2 hours ago, ELAN said:

I really do like C1 and wish I could migrate to it.  But it seems Phase One isn't very responsive to simple user requests.  The overwrite files yes/no request mentioned above is a years-old open issue.  And the Leica M10-P has been out for 16 months now and still no profile.  I'm not fond of unresponsive software makers.

The support is very responsive as long as you write to them directly. They even built in a feature I asked for when I talked to them at the last photokina. Interestingly I never wished to overwrite my files. It bother me more that Lightroom is asking every time... Software is so hard to program because everybody wants something else...

Isn't the profile of the M10 the same for the M10-P?

[Wyck]

13 hours ago, rim_light said:

The support is very responsive as long as you write to them directly. They even built in a feature I asked for when I talked to them at the last photokina. Interestingly I never wished to overwrite my files. It bother me more that Lightroom is asking every time... Software is so hard to program because everybody wants something else...

Isn't the profile of the M10 the same for the M10-P?

Unfortunately not. The M10 profile if used with the M10P gives terrible colours, highly saturated. For the time being it’s best to use DNG Neutral or make your own profiles. 

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