aokajiya Posted November 24, 2019 Share #1  Posted November 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Greetings! I have a comparison request for an SL2 & m10 owner out there. I'd love to see a comparison with the same subject shot with the same M lens on the two bodies. I owned an SL for a while, and found the photos with the m10 to often have more of a 3D pop, particularly in color, and was wondering how the SL2 images "felt" compared to similar shots from the m10. This is entirely a feels comparison, I'm not particularly interested in the variance in sharpness at the corners or wide angle performance. Bonus points for using a 35 lux or 50 cron apo, which are my most-used lenses. Many thanks in advance.  Alexander O. Smith http://instagram.com/aokajiya  1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 Hi aokajiya, Take a look here Comparison Request: SL2 vs. M10 using the same M Lens. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jansjo Posted December 27, 2019 Share #2  Posted December 27, 2019 I am interesser in the same question. I hope that someone will give a comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 27, 2019 Share #3  Posted December 27, 2019 As you reference feel, it's rather difficult to fulfill your request. I spent a few quick minutes with the 50mm Summilux (BC) on a tripod.  One thing I can say unequivocally is that the AWB on the M10 is warm, the SL2 cool. I didn't bother spending the time to try to line things up precisely; more trouble than it was worth in my estimation.  Here are a couple of the test shots, Both ISO 100 f2.8  1/8" SooC: M10 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2   1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2   ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303778-comparison-request-sl2-vs-m10-using-the-same-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=3880572'>More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 27, 2019 Share #4  Posted December 27, 2019 After correcting AWB via LR. Sample taken from the mailbox area on the the right. M10 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2  To my eye the M10 offers a bit more contrast, but seems a little more red biased which might be contributing to that impression.   1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2  To my eye the M10 offers a bit more contrast, but seems a little more red biased which might be contributing to that impression.   ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303778-comparison-request-sl2-vs-m10-using-the-same-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=3880577'>More sharing options...
Joakim Posted December 27, 2019 Share #5 Â Posted December 27, 2019 Maybe better to shoot something outdoor instead with some directional light Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 28, 2019 Share #6  Posted December 28, 2019 vor 6 Stunden schrieb Joakim: Maybe better to shoot something outdoor instead with some directional light Pictures from each camera can be made to look indistinguishable by moving LR tones, contrast, and Calibration sliders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted December 28, 2019 Share #7  Posted December 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 hours ago, Chaemono said: Pictures from each camera can be made to look indistinguishable by moving LR tones, contrast, and Calibration sliders. That is true for most modern cameras, so what is your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 28, 2019 Share #8  Posted December 28, 2019 vor 2 Minuten schrieb Joakim: That is true for most modern cameras, so what is your point? I was responding to the thread.  What’s your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted December 28, 2019 Share #9  Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) why not try the same M lens on 2 different kinds of film on an m3 or m4...instead of 2 digital sensors...after all you're interested in "lens" characteristics, not how the sensor captures & interprets the data 😋 Edited December 28, 2019 by frame-it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 28, 2019 Share #10  Posted December 28, 2019 15 hours ago, Tailwagger said: SooC It would still be more interesting to see a converted RAW without postprocessing from the same raw-converter, preferably not LR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 28, 2019 Share #11  Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, otto.f said: It would still be more interesting to see a converted RAW without postprocessing from the same raw-converter, preferably not LR By SooC that is what I meant and what the first set shows.   Raw files loaded via import and then exported to a JPG with 0 manipulation, under LR as thats what I have available. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 28, 2019 Share #12  Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: By SooC that is what I meant and what the first set shows.   Raw files loaded via import and then exported to a JPG with 0 manipulation, under LR as thats what I have available. Thanks, I thought you meant jpeg’s out of camera. But in LR it is quite possible that it has other camera profiles for SL2 and M10, I mean inconsistent. I like the SL2 colors above much better than the M10’s though Edited December 28, 2019 by otto.f 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted December 28, 2019 Share #13  Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Chaemono said: I was responding to the thread.  What’s your point? Well you quoted me so it seemed to be a direct response to my post and I didn't understand it unless the whole point of the response was to be condescending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 28, 2019 Share #14  Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, otto.f said: Thanks, I thought you meant jpeg’s out of camera. But in LR it is quite possible that it has other camera profiles for SL and M10, I mean inconsistent, where they have basically the same sensors. Ah... I see, sorry for the confusion. I shoot raw only, never jpg. I'm no test wonk... was just curious myself... so I constructed a very simple indoor test. Beyond being a miserably gray day yesterday, I'm not wild about trying to perform something outdoors as a part of my regular shooting, given all the lens and mount juggling necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 28, 2019 Share #15  Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) OK, It's a pretty grey dull day here as well, so I'll see what I can contribute. Here's the 50 part SL2: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! U1000671 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL APO 50 SC@f/4.0 U1000674 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with M APO 50 SC @ f/4.0 (EXIF is incorrect) and M10 L1002591 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr M10-D with M APO 50 SC @ f/4.0 One of the subjects was claimed between camera setups. The bad EXIF on the SL shot with the M 50 was because I changed lenses with power on. Apparently lens recognition occurs during power-on. In this case, it didn't happen so the M lens used previously appears. The reds seem identical, and the green in the M10 shot is a bit weaker than with either lens on the SL2, but that may be a side effect of slightly greater exposure. All shots taken with -2/3 exposure compensation, rendered in C1 , v20. Edited December 28, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! U1000671 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL APO 50 SC@f/4.0 U1000674 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL with M APO 50 SC @ f/4.0 (EXIF is incorrect) and M10 L1002591 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr M10-D with M APO 50 SC @ f/4.0 One of the subjects was claimed between camera setups. The bad EXIF on the SL shot with the M 50 was because I changed lenses with power on. Apparently lens recognition occurs during power-on. In this case, it didn't happen so the M lens used previously appears. The reds seem identical, and the green in the M10 shot is a bit weaker than with either lens on the SL2, but that may be a side effect of slightly greater exposure. All shots taken with -2/3 exposure compensation, rendered in C1 , v20. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303778-comparison-request-sl2-vs-m10-using-the-same-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=3880881'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 28, 2019 Share #16  Posted December 28, 2019 Relevant, but not a complete answer, here are two 35 mm shots of the same setup, both taken with the SL2: with the SL APO 35 SC@f/4.0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! U1000670 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr and with the M 35 Summilux Asph FLE U1000679 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! U1000670 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr and with the M 35 Summilux Asph FLE U1000679 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303778-comparison-request-sl2-vs-m10-using-the-same-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=3880886'>More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 28, 2019 Share #17  Posted December 28, 2019 45 minutes ago, Artin said: The contrast on the SL2 seems to be much crisper then the M10 , if not exaggerated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 28, 2019 Share #18  Posted December 28, 2019 What color profile should we be using to compare the color output of each camera with the same lens, the stock profiles of each, the generic DNG C1 profile, the LR Adobe Standard, or Adobe Color profiles for each, or some other color profile? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 28, 2019 Share #19  Posted December 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chaemono said: the generic DNG C1 I found actually that one better for the M10 than C1’s M10 profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted December 28, 2019 Share #20 Â Posted December 28, 2019 The SL 35 seems ever so slightly sharper at the edges than the M 35, but not more aesthetically pleasing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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