Mr.Q Posted November 25, 2019 Share #81 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I trust Gordon over anyone else on this board. To me his confirmation is enough to conclude that the SL2 finder isn't as sharp as the low-res finders under magnification. I have deteriorating eyesight (reason I left rangefinders) and I shoot with fast M glass, so this is the final nail in the coffin. I'm staying with the original SL. Edited November 25, 2019 by Mr.Q 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sillbeers15 Posted November 25, 2019 Share #82 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: Well I thought I'd have a look, even though I won't be using M lenses often on the SL2. I quickly compared to my Z7, A9, A7R3, SL, and S1R. I do not own a A7RIV. The S1R and SL2 images are definitely not as crisp as the same magnification in the lower res finders. OTOH I had no issue achieving consistent critical focus with any of them at any distance. Nor did I feel it was easier or more difficult or faster or slower on each of the cameras. The only thing I came away with is why didn't Leica include the option of a picture in picture magnification like Fujifilm does? Storm in a teacup, me thinks. Gordon Gordon, I was pleasantly surprised that using the SL2 magnification display to check the pics I took revealed much more details where in the past with SL, I could not determine focus well till I downloaded pics into my Macbook due to the lower resolution finder that showed grainy display. Edited November 25, 2019 by sillbeers15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRKstudio Posted November 25, 2019 Share #83 Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr.Q said: I trust Gordon over anyone else on this board. To me his confirmation is enough to conclude that the SL2 finder isn't as sharp as the low-res finders under magnification. I have deteriorating eyesight (reason I left rangefinders) and I shoot with fast M glass, so this is the final nail in the coffin. I'm staying with the original SL. Although the EVF is lower resolution when it’s magnified, the rear LCD looks to be displaying proper resolution in magnified live view. The rear LCD looks sharper than the EVF in magnified mode, the LCD is as sharp in magnified live view as it is when reviewing/magnifying past photos. One big issue though is that you can not AF or even capture a photo while in magnified live view. As soon as you half press the shutter, it reverts to 1x live view. It’s hugely helpful to me pick a magnified spot on a subject, then half press the shutter to AF-S on that spot (as with Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, etc.). the picture in picture zoomed in view with Fuji and Panasonic would be nice but I don’t see it coming to the SL2. I don’t think a firmware fix will solve these issues. Id hate to think this is a processor limitation here. There’s no way Leica didn’t see this issue in beta testing. The beta testers who review the camera have said online they reported the issue. Yet Leica did not expand the limited capabilities of the live view focusing. They even spec’d the sensor’s special micro-lenses for M lenses. Yet they didn’t do anything for EVF focusing capabilities with these lenses. On a side note: when you half press the shutter in: Manual mode/film type: monochrome/af-c, the sceen flickers back to standard full color exposure preview. I think it’s because, likewise, the processor can’t handle continuously previewing the exposure and simultaneously applying the monochrome film type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 25, 2019 Share #84 Posted November 25, 2019 vor einer Stunde schrieb NRKstudio: One big issue though is that you can not AF or even capture a photo while in magnified live view. As soon as you half press the shutter, it reverts to 1x live view. I do it the other way around, focus, press the top front button for magnified view to confirm the focus point is where it’s intended, then press the shutter to take the shot. vor einer Stunde schrieb NRKstudio: It’s hugely helpful to me pick a magnified spot on a subject, then half press the shutter to AF-S on that spot (as with Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, etc.). the picture in picture zoomed in view with Fuji and Panasonic would be nice but I don’t see it coming to the SL2. I used to think the same thing. I have two copies of the same SL lens and shot the S1/R side by side with the SL2 in order to see which single point AF works more reliably with SL lenses. I had a couple of misfocused/back-focused pictures with the Lumix bodies inspite of what the picture in picture showed me. The SL2’s single point focus with SL lenses was always pinpoint accurate. I set Pre Focus to ON which I love. vor einer Stunde schrieb NRKstudio: I don’t think a firmware fix will solve these issues. Id hate to think this is a processor limitation here. There’s no way Leica didn’t see this issue in beta testing. The beta testers who review the camera have said online they reported the issue. Yet Leica did not expand the limited capabilities of the live view focusing. They even spec’d the sensor’s special micro-lenses for M lenses. Yet they didn’t do anything for EVF focusing capabilities with these lenses. I much prefer Leica’s implementation to all the other FF bodies I’ve used. You must have a faulty copy of the SL2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 25, 2019 Share #85 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Chaemono said: I do it the other way around, focus, press the top front button for magnified view to confirm the focus point is where it’s intended, then press the shutter to take the shot. I used to think the same thing. I have two copies of the same SL lens and shot the S1/R side by side with the SL2 in order to see which single point AF works more reliably with SL lenses. I had a couple of misfocused/back-focused pictures with the Lumix bodies inspite of what the picture in picture showed me. The SL2’s single point focus with SL lenses was always pinpoint accurate. I set Pre Focus to ON which I love. I much prefer Leica’s implementation to all the other FF bodies I’ve used. You must have a faulty copy of the SL2. A good strategy for static subjects! (although my ring finger seems to prefer the lower front button, so I have rather assigned the magnification to that button...). Edited November 25, 2019 by helged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted November 25, 2019 Share #86 Posted November 25, 2019 10 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: Well I thought I'd have a look, even though I won't be using M lenses often on the SL2. I quickly compared to my Z7, A9, A7R3, SL, and S1R. I do not own a A7RIV. The S1R and SL2 images are definitely not as crisp as the same magnification in the lower res finders. OTOH I had no issue achieving consistent critical focus with any of them at any distance. Nor did I feel it was easier or more difficult or faster or slower on each of the cameras. Gordon Is this also true comparing to Leica SL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share #87 Posted November 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Chaemono said: I do it the other way around, focus, press the top front button for magnified view to confirm the focus point is where it’s intended, then press the shutter to take the shot. I used to think the same thing. I have two copies of the same SL lens and shot the S1/R side by side with the SL2 in order to see which single point AF works more reliably with SL lenses. I had a couple of misfocused/back-focused pictures with the Lumix bodies inspite of what the picture in picture showed me. The SL2’s single point focus with SL lenses was always pinpoint accurate. I set Pre Focus to ON which I love. I much prefer Leica’s implementation to all the other FF bodies I’ve used. You must have a faulty copy of the SL2. Shocking!!! People reporting the same issue. Yeah... all the SL2 copies are “faulty”. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 25, 2019 Share #88 Posted November 25, 2019 11 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: The S1R and SL2 images are definitely not as crisp as the same magnification in the lower res finders. what is the firmware version of your SL2 ? the one i played with for a few hours was firmware 1.01, didn't seem to have this EVF issue in MF with M lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 25, 2019 Share #89 Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, frame-it said: what is the firmware version of your SL2 ? the one i played with for a few hours was firmware 1.01, didn't seem to have this EVF issue in MF with M lenses Interesting! I have FW 1.0 - as installed in the body purchased on Nov 21 - so recently installed by Leica. FW 1.01 is likely an intermediate update for a newer batch of bodies leaving Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 25, 2019 Share #90 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, helged said: Interesting! I have FW 1.0 - as installed in the body purchased on Nov 21 - so recently installed by Leica. FW 1.01 is likely an intermediate update for a newer batch of bodies leaving Leica. very interesting considering the camera i tried for a few hours was at a leica store on the 13th of Nov! Edited November 25, 2019 by frame-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share #91 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: Gordon, I was pleasantly surprised that using the SL2 magnification display to check the pics I took revealed much more details where in the past with SL, I could not determine focus well till I downloaded pics into my Macbook due to the lower resolution finder that showed grainy display. Yes... in PLAY mode... EVF is crisp and clear (like the Q2). The issue is in SHOOTING mode. Edited November 25, 2019 by Donzo98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 25, 2019 Share #92 Posted November 25, 2019 vor 28 Minuten schrieb Donzo98: Yes... in PLAY mode... EVF is crisp and clear (like the Q2). The issue is in SHOOTING mode. Is this what you’re seeing with your newly acquired SL2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRKstudio Posted November 25, 2019 Share #93 Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: Is this what you’re seeing with your newly acquired SL2? Yes this is it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 25, 2019 Share #94 Posted November 25, 2019 Gerade eben schrieb NRKstudio: Yes this is it This is not what I’m seeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted November 25, 2019 Share #95 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Are only some units affected? Edited November 25, 2019 by Mr.Q Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 25, 2019 Share #96 Posted November 25, 2019 Gerade eben schrieb Mr.Q: Are only some units affected? It seems like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted November 25, 2019 Share #97 Posted November 25, 2019 What about your S1R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonc Posted November 25, 2019 Share #98 Posted November 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: Are only some units affected? Only Leica would be able to say for sure but assuming they all use the same panel then it would likely impact all units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 25, 2019 Share #99 Posted November 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chaemono said: This is not what I’m seeing. whats your firmware version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonc Posted November 25, 2019 Share #100 Posted November 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr.Q said: What about your S1R? My S1R exhibits the same behavior. It gets progressively worse starting at 4X magnification. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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