tritentrue Posted November 17, 2020 Share #21 Posted November 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Paolou Pigini said: May depend also on the copy, that's a pity anyway. I remember reading a couple of reviews that mentioned something about parfocal capability of the lens, but I see no mention of it on Panasonic's web page for the lens. 2 hours ago, Paolou Pigini said: Personally I need to add a tele lens to my gear, mostly for land fauna and landscape, so I hope to see a new Sigma 300 2.8 in the next year, it would be perfect for my usage, but I'm happy to know that now there is also this excellent alternative to be considered. I kept my teleconverters after ditching the 70-200mm f4 in the hope that Panasonic would bring a long prime to the market, as had been mentioned in one of their earlier lens roadmaps. The Sigma would likely be a bit large and heavy for my purposes.. I'm glad to have the 70-200mm 2.8 as a weather-resistant option that functions in a competent, reliable manner on the SL and, in more favorable weather, the CL. Between rain showers under gloomy skies a little while ago, ISO 800 . . . Brown Shrike . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4081870'>More sharing options...
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BernardC Posted November 17, 2020 Share #22 Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Ivar B said: Very interesting. Regarding the patent, I guess that anybody could design their own 90-280mm lens without patent issues, but is the design of the lens patented by Panasonic equal to Leicas own lens when it comes to optical construction, such as number of elements etc? The lens is "Made in Japan," isn't it? In that case, it's very likely that Panasonic is the sub-contractor. It makes sense for them to have a patent on the construction if the lens is made in their factory, with their production equipment and tools. That doesn't mean that they also created the optical design, although they could have. The important thing is that it meets Leica's specifications. People get very picky about those sorts of arrangements, but Leica has been sub-contracting lenses since the 1930s (Xenon 5cm), so perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted November 18, 2020 Share #23 Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) An outing with the 70-200mm, 2X, and CL proved to be the denouement for the CL with this optic, as I managed but thirty-nine shots in an hour and forty-five minutes before the battery went flat (2-minute shutoff, power saving off). It cost me a shot opportunity, too, as there's no quick way to change the CL's battery when the grip is attached. Too bad, as I love the images I get from this camera. OIS gave me a couple of stops on the pic below, shot at 1/160 (eff. 600mm). That and AF were very quick on the shot, as the critter didn't sit still for more than a second. It would be nice if Leica had updated firmware of the SL to control the function buttons at the front of the lens; but I guess not including that feature is a way of nudging people like me to upgrade--assuming the SL2 has that capability. Almost a week with this lens, and I haven't found any showstopper yet . . . either I'm slipping or maybe it's just a great lens. 🙃 CL/70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Olive-Backed Sunbird (click for more detail) . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited November 18, 2020 by tritentrue grammar! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4082393'>More sharing options...
Boojay Posted November 18, 2020 Share #24 Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, tritentrue said: An outing with the 70-200mm, 2X, and CL proved to be the denouement for the CL with this optic, as I managed but thirty-nine shots in an hour and forty-five minutes before the battery went flat (2-minute shutoff, power saving off). It cost me a shot opportunity, too, as there's no quick way to change the CL's battery when the grip is attached. Too bad, as I love the images I get from this camera. OIS gave me a couple of stops on the pic below, shot at 1/160 (eff. 600mm). That and AF were very quick on the shot, as the critter didn't sit still for more than a second. It would be nice if Leica had updated firmware of the SL to control the function buttons at the front of the lens; but I guess not including that feature is a way of nudging people like me to upgrade--assuming the SL2 has that capability. Almost a week with this lens, and I haven't found any showstopper yet . . . either I'm slipping or maybe it's just a great lens. 🙃 CL/70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Olive-Backed Sunbird (click for more detail) . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That's a wonderful shot Rob, colours, sharpness, details, fab. Yes, you can programme the front body function buttons on the SL2 which may be an update to the SL but the battery issues add a niggle you may not have now, if shooting burst mode anything less than around 75% charge in your battery and your back to single shot. Have you seen the Lim's half case with grip for the CL, I was gifted one from a friend on here when he gave up his CL, it enables access to battery/card without removing, speeds things up a bit. Oh, and you're definitely not slipping 😊. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted November 18, 2020 Share #25 Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Boojay said: That's a wonderful shot Rob, colours, sharpness, details, fab. Yes, you can programme the front body function buttons on the SL2 which may be an update to the SL but the battery issues add a niggle you may not have now, if shooting burst mode anything less than around 75% charge in your battery and your back to single shot. Have you seen the Lim's half case with grip for the CL, I was gifted one from a friend on here when he gave up his CL, it enables access to battery/card without removing, speeds things up a bit. Oh, and you're definitely not slipping 😊. Thanks, Jayne. 😊 The Lim's case looks interesting and I will investigate further. The heat, humidity, and sweat are harsh on leather used outdoors here, though. I read with interest many of the posts about the SL2's firmware and I'm in wait-and-see mode for the time being. With the light weight and spectacular image processing capability of the CL, I'm happy to keep using it for critter-chasing with R-mount glass; but this Lumix lens seems to do everything better on the SL. I am mindful of Leica's statement a couple of years ago that since the SL and CL preceded the L-mount alliance, they wouldn't necessarily be fully forward-compatible. My White-Throated Kingfisher friend graciously consented to perch still (albeit at some distance) for a good length of time this afternoon, giving me a chance to try both OIS and focus-by-wire using the SL. I made numerous shots at various slow speeds, the one below at 1/60, f/8, and ISO 100. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4082458'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted November 18, 2020 Share #26 Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) One more with my little friend, this one at 1/125, ISO 200, f/8, using manual focus to get between the leaves. Focus-by-wire on this lens is not perfectly linear, but critically accurate focus is attainable fairly quickly. On the SL focus peaking is activated when the clutch is slipped back, but the joystick won't enable magnification. The perfect positioning of the clutch makes up for any idiosyncrasies encountered. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Almost forgot to mention that both shots are cropped at the pixel level . . . Edited November 18, 2020 by tritentrue add crop info 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Almost forgot to mention that both shots are cropped at the pixel level . . . ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4082466'>More sharing options...
Boojay Posted November 18, 2020 Share #27 Posted November 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'd be happy to sit and watch him, with or without a camera in hand, he is so beautiful. Yes, of course I forgot your very different climatic conditions, maybe the case would hold heat I'm guessing that wouldn't be good either. I will enjoy watching your results from this lens, it's not one for me to try, weight and size being the reason I have never gone for the Leica 90-280 either, I know as much as I would love the results, it would stay home too often to justify. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted November 18, 2020 Share #28 Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) On 11/17/2020 at 3:22 PM, BernardC said: The lens is "Made in Japan," isn't it? In that case, it's very likely that Panasonic is the sub-contractor. It makes sense for them to have a patent on the construction if the lens is made in their factory, with their production equipment and tools. That doesn't mean that they also created the optical design, although they could have. The important thing is that it meets Leica's specifications. People get very picky about those sorts of arrangements, but Leica has been sub-contracting lenses since the 1930s (Xenon 5cm), so perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise. No, I belive it is made in Germany. I have sold mine so I cannot be 100 % sure, but I believe it is made in Germany. Most TL-lenses (except 35mm and 60mm) are made in Japan. Many guess that they are made by Nittoh. Edited November 18, 2020 by Ivar B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted November 18, 2020 Share #29 Posted November 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ivar B said: No, I belive it is made in Germany. I have sold mine so I cannot be 100 % sure, but I believe it is made in Germany. Even then, Panasonic can be a sub-contractor, with patents on their own contributions. The notion of a lens made by a single person, in a single workshop, using components on-hand, is pervasive and misguided. Not that anyone here is guilty of that, but it is a romantic notion that's often in the back of one's mind. On top of that, we are all brand enthusiasts here, so these types of provenance details are interesting to us. Leica historica is a deep well of trivia. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted November 19, 2020 Share #30 Posted November 19, 2020 13 hours ago, Boojay said: I'd be happy to sit and watch him, with or without a camera in hand, he is so beautiful. Yes, of course I forgot your very different climatic conditions, maybe the case would hold heat I'm guessing that wouldn't be good either. I will enjoy watching your results from this lens, it's not one for me to try, weight and size being the reason I have never gone for the Leica 90-280 either, I know as much as I would love the results, it would stay home too often to justify. Sometimes I put the camera down and do just that, Jayne, in awe of the natural beauty or unique behaviors of the various critters. Good point about encasing the CL in this environment, as it already gets extremely hot outdoors in sunny weather, which could shorten its life. It handles well with long R glass due to the position of the tripod screw on the R-Adapter-L, but isn't nearly as ergonomic with the Lumix + teleconverter combination. OTOH, the SL balances well and appears to have been constructed with some level of thermal stability in mind. At 3.02 kilograms for the SL, lens, TC, hood, and filter, it is indeed on the heavy side, though autofocus is a nice mitigator when compared to manually focusing heavy glass in the field over a period of hours. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZach Posted November 19, 2020 Share #31 Posted November 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Ivar B said: No, I belive it is made in Germany. I have sold mine so I cannot be 100 % sure, but I believe it is made in Germany The engraving on my copy reads “LEICA CAMERA WETZLAR, MADE IN GERMANY, 11175”. But would not mind “MADE IN JAPAN” either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 8, 2020 Share #32 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) It could be due to the lightweight focusing elements of the 70-200mm f2.8, but I'm not having quite the issue with AF-C that others have been reporting with the SL2. While it's not blinding quick to acquire, it's critically accurate and also adapts quickly to subject movement when used with the 2X teleconverter. Black-Naped Oriole . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Edited December 8, 2020 by tritentrue 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4094359'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 9, 2020 Share #33 Posted December 9, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Malaysian Pied Fantail, under canopy, dark clouds, and light rain, with AF-C never missing . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4095050'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 11, 2020 Share #34 Posted December 11, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Common Flameback Woodpecker (female) . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4096412'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 12, 2020 Share #35 Posted December 12, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Large-Tailed Nightjar . . . nocturnal critter, dunno whether he's really asleep or just possuming . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4097080'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 20, 2020 Share #36 Posted December 20, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Yellow Bittern . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4102307'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 21, 2020 Share #37 Posted December 21, 2020 I realize that there are different applications for autofocus, and that there are myriad ways of using cameras. As such, I don't doubt those who have reported less than favorable experiences with the SL2's autofocus. My own experience, however, has been very good. Chasing birds, dragonflies, butterflies, etc. with the Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f/2.8 plus either teleconverter, focus acquisition time is typically faster and substantially more accurate than with the boatload of canikonympusonic gear I've used over the years. With the lens, the only niggle I find is that it begs to be stopped down a stop in order to get the best IQ whenever a teleconverter is attached. This is typical of this kind of zoom. However, it means shooting at f/8 with the 2X attached, where ISO3200 or higher is often necessary in the December rain and gloom in these parts. SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/1.4X . . . Common Iora, getting his breeding colors . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4102940'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 22, 2020 Share #38 Posted December 22, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Brown-Throated Sunbird . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4103655'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted December 24, 2020 Share #39 Posted December 24, 2020 SL2/Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f2.8/2X . . . Crimson Sunbird . . . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303150-lumix-s-pro-70-200mm-f28-ois/?do=findComment&comment=4105111'>More sharing options...
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