bags27 Posted October 30, 2019 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Sort of sucks. A rolling roll-out. I guess it's to build momentum into Miami and New York. And maybe to stall until they've debugged the processor 😃 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 30, 2019 by bags27 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/302971-new-product-launch-united-states/?do=findComment&comment=3844868'>More sharing options...
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Tailwagger Posted October 30, 2019 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2019 I think its more about demo's being available. The official announcement should be next week. As my order is still in and I'm 95% certain I'll be picking one up, I'm hoping that I might be able to walk out with one that day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 30, 2019 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2019 They paraphrased me and replaced "design" with "craft." On the "state-of-the-art technology" thing, think of the leaks to the rumor sites as the tip of the iceberg. 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay B Posted October 30, 2019 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2019 Great, my local is first on the list. Time to break open the piggy bank! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted October 31, 2019 Share #5 Posted October 31, 2019 I hope the first date means the availability of the camera everywhere and not the last date! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 31, 2019 Share #6 Posted October 31, 2019 I wonder if there's going to be a launch like this in Australia? The Melbourne Leica boutique would be a good venue (hint hint Leica). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted October 31, 2019 Share #7 Posted October 31, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) why does it suck? its just a traveling show. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 31, 2019 Share #8 Posted October 31, 2019 So what is it? The SL2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2019 Share #9 Posted October 31, 2019 vor 13 Stunden schrieb Tailwagger: I think its more about demo's being available. The official announcement should be next week. As my order is still in and I'm 95% certain I'll be picking one up, I'm hoping that I might be able to walk out with one that day. Just curious, why did you order one already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted October 31, 2019 Share #10 Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: Just curious, why did you order one already? I've been on the list for the SL2 since March 8th. Assuming I do get an SL2, it will replace my either M240 or the M10 and the Q. That will get me down to more justifiable gear levels. OTOH, I was stopped in my tracks by this morning's LR rumor on a 41MP M10M coming early in 2020. But then I remembered... both retirement and diminishing eyesight loom. Thus, as a practical matter, AF is beginning to become a necessary evil and as a financial one, given I continue to collect a paycheck, owning an SL and a X1D is doable. What's likely not doable is retaining my current collection of M glass, while at the same time acquiring the 21, 30, 80 and 135 HCDs and a few L-Summicrons and a zoom or two. The big money, as we all know, is in the glass. I'll be buried with my M-Summiluxes, so the going forward question is how to weave together the other two systems in such a way that each is serving a clear purpose. I bought the 'blad for its DR/quiet shutter in concert and long exposure landscape situations; the SL2 will essentially become my M over time, shooting initially with M-glass and perhaps picking up the 24-70 Pano then slowly add one or two L-lenses a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: I've been on the list for the SL2 since March 8th. Assuming I do get an SL2, it will replace my either M240 or the M10 and the Q. That will get me down to more justifiable gear levels. OTOH, I was stopped in my tracks by this morning's LR rumor on a 41MP M10M coming early in 2020. But then I remembered... both retirement and diminishing eyesight loom. Thus, as a practical matter, AF is beginning to become a necessary evil and as a financial one, given I continue to collect a paycheck, owning an SL and a X1D is doable. What's likely not doable is retaining my current collection of M glass, while at the same time acquiring the 21, 30, 80 and 135 HCDs and a few L-Summicrons and a zoom or two. The big money, as we all know, is in the glass. I'll be buried with my M-Summiluxes, so the going forward question is how to weave together the other two systems in such a way that each is serving a clear purpose. I bought the 'blad for its DR/quiet shutter in concert and long exposure landscape situations; the SL2 will essentially become my M over time, shooting initially with M-glass and perhaps picking up the 24-70 Pano then slowly add one or two L-lenses a year. 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2019 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2019 vor 39 Minuten schrieb Tailwagger: I've been on the list for the SL2 since March 8th. Assuming I do get an SL2, it will replace my either M240 or the M10 and the Q. That will get me down to more justifiable gear levels. OTOH, I was stopped in my tracks by this morning's LR rumor on a 41MP M10M coming early in 2020. But then I remembered... both retirement and diminishing eyesight loom. Thus, as a practical matter, AF is beginning to become a necessary evil and as a financial one, given I continue to collect a paycheck, owning an SL and a X1D is doable. What's likely not doable is retaining my current collection of M glass, while at the same time acquiring the 21, 30, 80 and 135 HCDs and a few L-Summicrons and a zoom or two. The big money, as we all know, is in the glass. I'll be buried with my M-Summiluxes, so the going forward question is how to weave together the other two systems in such a way that each is serving a clear purpose. I bought the 'blad for its DR/quiet shutter in concert and long exposure landscape situations; the SL2 will essentially become my M over time, shooting initially with M-glass and perhaps picking up the 24-70 Pano then slowly add one or two L-lenses a year. You seem like a person who’s less prone to choice-supportive bias. It would be interesting, therefore, to get your view on low-light/high contrast scene performance and malleability of the files of the SL2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #13 Posted October 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chaemono said: You seem like a person who’s less prone to choice-supportive bias. It would be interesting, therefore, to get your view on low-light/high contrast scene performance and malleability of the files of the SL2. The characteristics of the 40+ MPx sensors are generally less forgiving than the 20+ MPx image sensors on DR and ISO performance. Unless Leica Engineers could performance some tricks over the last nine months that can not be imaginable. The outcome should not differ too drastic. You gain some, you loose some. You generally cannot change physical laws. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted October 31, 2019 Share #14 Posted October 31, 2019 54 minutes ago, Chaemono said: You seem like a person who’s less prone to choice-supportive bias. Indeed. My engineering background has generically instilled the notion that the glass will always be half full at best. Nothing is perfect, not the gear, nor the boob responsible for pressing the shutter button. Everything can be made better. That said, I don't really do any specific testing... I just go out and shoot and assess things on the basis of what got captured. You seem to do a far better job than I ever could at that sort of thing. But I'd be happy to add to the info pool in any way I can. One thing I can say is that sillbeers15 comment, IMO, is spot on. Over the past few weeks on my early morning walks, I've been carrying the X1D/45mm along side of the M10 with the Summi 75mm. Anecdotally, no actual side by sides... I suppose I could grab the Distagon 35 one day and shoot both under the same scenarios and conditions...my unscientific impression has been that the noise levels of the M10 are a match for those of the X1D, though the latter's files are noticeably more flexible. It will be interesting to see if this next gen of sensor and processing on the SL2 with a similar pixel count to the X1D can get close to the capabilities of a 5 year old mini-MF sensor or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #15 Posted October 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: Indeed. My engineering background has generically instilled the notion that the glass will always be half full at best. Nothing is perfect, not the gear, nor the boob responsible for pressing the shutter button. Everything can be made better. That said, I don't really do any specific testing... I just go out and shoot and assess things on the basis of what got captured. You seem to do a far better job than I ever could at that sort of thing. But I'd be happy to add to the info pool in any way I can. One thing I can say is that sillbeers15 comment, IMO, is spot on. Over the past few weeks on my early morning walks, I've been carrying the X1D/45mm along side of the M10 with the Summi 75mm. Anecdotally, no actual side by sides... I suppose I could grab the Distagon 35 one day and shoot both under the same scenarios and conditions...my unscientific impression has been that the noise levels of the M10 are a match for those of the X1D, though the latter's files are noticeably more flexible. It will be interesting to see if this next gen of sensor and processing on the SL2 with a similar pixel count to the X1D can get close to the capabilities of a 5 year old mini-MF sensor or not. My background is Engineering as well. I often tell my friends my 4 years of undergraduate training became most useful for me to understand my car’s function and toying about with performance upgrades. Thermal dynamics was useful for me to understand the need for bigger inter coolers when bigger turbos were swapped in...hahaa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2019 Share #16 Posted October 31, 2019 vor 19 Minuten schrieb Tailwagger: ...my unscientific impression has been that the noise levels of the M10 are a match for those of the X1D, though the latter's files are noticeably more flexible. Exactly my impression. I did side by sides. vor 19 Minuten schrieb Tailwagger: It will be interesting to see if this next gen of sensor and processing on the SL2 with a similar pixel count to the X1D can get close to the capabilities of a 5 year old mini-MF sensor or not. That’s why I asked you. Pixel/sensor design and manufacturing process also matter. The CL 24 MPx sensor produces more malleable files than previous generations of APS-C sensors. The S1 24 MPx BSI sensor has the best low light performance of any 24 MPx FF sensor out there. The SL2 has some secrets that have not been revealed. One of them is AF and I have an idea what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #17 Posted October 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Exactly my impression. I did side by sides. That’s why I asked you. Pixel/sensor design and manufacturing process also matter. The CL 24 MPx sensor produces more malleable files than previous generations of APS-C sensors. The S1 24 MPx BSI sensor has the best low light performance of any 24 MPx FF sensor out there. The SL2 has some secrets that have not been revealed. One of them is AF and I have an idea what it is. Do not be over optimistic over object detection AF. It is not what you think it is. My best guess (not privileged information bonded by NDA) is the AF worst case is S1R comparable, anything more is dependable from Maestro III (taken as bonus) as I’ve seen Leica’s seriousness in AF sub menu selection choices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2019 Share #18 Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) vor 11 Minuten schrieb sillbeers15: Do not be over optimistic over object detection AF. It is not what you think it is. My best guess (not privileged information bonded by NDA) is the AF worst case is S1R comparable, anything more is dependable from Maestro III (taken as bonus) as I’ve seen Leica’s seriousness in AF sub menu selection choices. Is there a focus assist lamp, a red LED that emits red light, for example? Can you talk about that? Edited October 31, 2019 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 31, 2019 Share #19 Posted October 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Is there a focus assist lamp, a red LED that emits red light, for example? Can you talk about that? Yes. You can see that in the Leica Rumours published photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 31, 2019 Share #20 Posted October 31, 2019 vor 7 Minuten schrieb sillbeers15: Yes. You can see that in the Leica Rumours published photo. I can see a little window in the published photos. Did this window emit light, red/white, as you were focusing in low light in the store? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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