andybarton Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share #81 Posted August 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmm strange and glib answer..thought so..just thought I'd give it a try. Doesn't hurt to try. Guess you''ll have to find out when it actually happens. Like a fly on the highway, it doesn't see the car thats going to kill them until it smashes into the windshield..too bad and too late. I am not going to argue with you Andy. You'll see what I mean as the months, and these are very crucial months..roll by. Regards, Leica Mann:) If this is the case, and we are moving into "end time" as you suggest, then there really isn't much point in doing anything, is there? My glass is still half full at the moment. I hope you can top yours up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stunsworth Posted August 11, 2006 Share #82 Posted August 11, 2006 I'd add that if 9/11 onwards _was_ a conspiracy it would have to involved thousands of people and yet not leaked out. On the other hand Nixon in the 1970s couldn't even organise a robbery involving a handful of people without it leading to his resignation. I'm sure that govenments use these attacks to their own advantage, but to suggest that they organise them seems as paranoid as David Icke suggesting that the royal family are shape changing giant lizards. IMHO of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm1912 Posted August 11, 2006 Share #83 Posted August 11, 2006 You're clearly right Steve (IMHO). I'm still trying to figure out what to do with this trip. I hope that restrictions are down when I go, but if not, do I try to go the Pelican route. We can't be the only people with cameras going places. What about all the people who have a camera and got caught in it all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted August 11, 2006 Share #84 Posted August 11, 2006 What about all the people who have a camera and got caught in it all? They get dropped down on half way. Both! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted August 11, 2006 Share #85 Posted August 11, 2006 I find the situation mostly agreeable. There has been a threat and our goverment acted quickly. I think that's great. I pull my hat for the work of MI5. I doubt the restrictions will stay that way; sooner or later this may be loosend and we all can have carry on luggage again. I have two concerns:- Do security checks not work properly? Are x-ray, hand check and sniffer tools not suitable to detect these devices? If so, do airports require to get more sophisticated tools to cope this new challange? How long will it take? In fact, here the bad boys have the white stones in this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted August 11, 2006 Share #86 Posted August 11, 2006 Uwe - If the news stories are to be believed, this particular plot involves combining liquid and/or gel chemicals that terrorists put in common containers (such as shampoo or toothpaste containers), mix on board, and ignite with a small electrical spark (hence, no iPods carry-on). Also, if the news stories are correct, there is no technology fielded to detect these things, though some are being tested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted August 11, 2006 Share #87 Posted August 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) So why stop Film cameras, specially Leica M or R from entering the cabin after all they are not fitted with a Flash unit and they are no harm to anyone. This problem started in 1948, My late father who was serving with HM Forces as a Royal Marine 42 Commando in Palistine at that time, what went on for those helpless Palistine people was shameful so as to accomedate, on behalf of the United States, Displaced European Jews that nobody else wanted. ........WE REAP WHAT WE SOW........................................ And guess what, It's going to get worse. Now lets get back on the Leica Train. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted August 11, 2006 Share #88 Posted August 11, 2006 I go across Europe to Greece and back 4 times a year and people are always asking why I drive. I'm off tomorrow until the middle of September and am really glad that I do drive !, and hopefully by the time I return things will have stabilised somewhat. It may be that for shorter journeys driving is the way to go ? Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted August 11, 2006 Share #89 Posted August 11, 2006 Was in Paris the day the story broke. Flew from DeGaulle here to Porto, Portugal. I'm traveling with a Leica, a Bessa, three lenses, and about forty-odd rolls of film in my hand luggage, a mixture of color, B/W, and speeds from 100 to 3200. I requested a hand check leaving Paris. The guy said that all speeds are safe, even high-speed, but when I told him the X-ray effect is cumulative (I have more destinations ahead) he nodded. I was then accomodated; it took about a half hour for a polite young woman to open each canister. Another security dude noticed the Leica and asked if I was a pro, to which I nodded yes (I am not). It was a pain in the ass but it got done. I'm on to Madrid next and there's good reason to think I can get out of Portugal with no trouble. I found a pro lab in Madrid that might be able to turn around most of my exposed film before I leave, which would be great. If not, I only have a potential three or four more security checks before getting back to L.A., and my film should survive if I don't get my hand inspection (although I've been thinking that whatever fogging may occur might actually be an interesting photographic anomaly). I also thought about Fedex-ing the rolls back home, but why wouldn't they put the cargo through the same X-ray machine? And in the U.S., for those of you who don't know, TSA is required to comply with a requested hand inspection for film. It is documented on their website. In terms of the political argument... well, I don't see it as a supension or erosion of civil liberties (your civil liberties include carrying expensive rangefinders to travel destinations?) so much as just a pain in the ass, albeit a necessary one. I think an M8 is looking good right now -- I'm less concerned about the hardware than I am about the film, which is a hassle to move around the world. Even if I still wanted to shoot some film for some things, bringing an M8/other digital would certainly reduce the amount of film, at least, I'd be traveling with. The camera itself can always be insured/replaced/perhaps even rented on location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted August 11, 2006 Share #90 Posted August 11, 2006 Right now, my conundrum is: I am booked to fly out from Melbourne via Singapore, Paris and Barcelona to Morocco. My flight departs 9/11 I have prapared bulk film loaded into plastic casettes to be carried in my clothing pockets, to avoid being xrayed. i guess that won't work now. My real concern is that I planned carrying 2 M bodies and an RD1 together with 6 lenses in a Billingham Alice bag, as cabin luggage. I planned to walk approx 8 or more hours per day for a month, hence the light bag. If it goes in the hold, the gear won't survive the handling. I cannot carry Pelican or similar case all day. Kel problem! For the nay sayers who would say, " one camera, one lens" --- forget it! That is definitely not my objective. I need to have all that gear because that is how I work. The exeption will be my participation, for 1 hour, in the "One Challenge" as I pass thru Paris, all forces willing. Right now I am mentally cunjuring up some sort of 'disposable'/inflatable outer case for my bag that can be deflated till needed again. O.K. It's late at night. I hope to awake with a workable solution. G'night & cheers, Erl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 11, 2006 Share #91 Posted August 11, 2006 Ha ha... too many gullible people who think that the media is accurate.. geewhiz, don't believe the hype. Who knows, perhaps we are chasing a phantom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted August 11, 2006 Share #92 Posted August 11, 2006 I'd add that if 9/11 onwards _was_ a conspiracy it would have to involved thousands of people and yet not leaked out. On the other hand Nixon in the 1970s couldn't even organise a robbery involving a handful of people without it leading to his resignation. I'm sure that govenments use these attacks to their own advantage, but to suggest that they organise them seems as paranoid as David Icke suggesting that the royal family are shape changing giant lizards. IMHO of course. Very common counter arguement.. lets try the 'Manhatten Project" for starters.....it fits the ticket. Andy, thats not what I am talking about..what I am saying that if you are afarid, then their propaganda has succeeded. If you thing there are "hoards of angry young Muslims ready to blow up anything"..they succeeded . If they make you believe they are their to protect you, they are lying. These murderous criminal thugs need to be exposed, arrested, and put in an Insane Asylum with thick rubber padded rooms and Play Station 2, there, there can harmlessly "act out " their pathology, until this is done society at large will be at their criminal mercy, its time people had some guts and stand up to them and show the lies they have been up to. They tried the same "nonsense" here in Canada in June ..it was all "fear propaganda"..Gov't in concert with Rupert Murdock media. Regards, Leica Mann:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted August 11, 2006 Share #93 Posted August 11, 2006 Right now, my conundrum is: I am booked to fly out from Melbourne via Singapore, Paris and Barcelona to Morocco. My flight departs 9/11 I have prapared bulk film loaded into plastic casettes to be carried in my clothing pockets, to avoid being xrayed. i guess that won't work now. My real concern is that I planned carrying 2 M bodies and an RD1 together with 6 lenses in a Billingham Alice bag, as cabin luggage. I planned to walk approx 8 or more hours per day for a month, hence the light bag. If it goes in the hold, the gear won't survive the handling. I cannot carry Pelican or similar case all day. Kel problem! For the nay sayers who would say, " one camera, one lens" --- forget it! That is definitely not my objective. I need to have all that gear because that is how I work. The exeption will be my participation, for 1 hour, in the "One Challenge" as I pass thru Paris, all forces willing. Right now I am mentally cunjuring up some sort of 'disposable'/inflatable outer case for my bag that can be deflated till needed again. O.K. It's late at night. I hope to awake with a workable solution. G'night & cheers, Erl Could you not use a Pelican to travel the gear in the hold and also bring the Billingham (empty) onto the plane? Then on your walking you have the light bag, while the hard case stays at the hotel... or did I miss something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted August 11, 2006 Share #94 Posted August 11, 2006 W.r.t. the cumulative x-ray issue: to cope this problem I carry... D-76 powder, stainless steel reel developing tank, thermometer, change bag, scissors, measure cylinder and small plastic bottles. Developing 'on-site' reduces x-ray significantly, though it will not eliminate it, I would say damage of x-ray is reduced by at least 50%, even if I hop from location to location. Space is almost not required; it equals to weight and size to a pair of shoes. I agree, digital is for the peace of mind and easy for communications. I do not have a solution for color negatives or slides, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcastelli Posted August 11, 2006 Share #95 Posted August 11, 2006 Hi folks, Some additional information: I contacted FedEx in the UK about shipping my film home w/o carrying through security. I was told by the FedEx people that all packages are X-ray'ed by British Customs. I don't know about the Royal Mail. When I ship film in the US, I mark the pkgs. with "Exposed film - hand insepct - do not xray". I pack the film in clear plastic, and identify each can w/a label containing my name and address. Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uulrich Posted August 11, 2006 Share #96 Posted August 11, 2006 I think even if your name is on the film canister they will x-ray 100% of the packages. It does not matter if it is FedEx or RM or whatever. They have to x-ray and that's fine. Cargo flights means x-ray too because there are pilots flying these elephants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share #97 Posted August 11, 2006 Very common counter arguement.. lets try the 'Manhatten Project" for starters.....it fits the ticket. Andy, thats not what I am talking about..what I am saying that if you are afarid, then their propaganda has succeeded. If you thing there are "hoards of angry young Muslims ready to blow up anything"..they succeeded . If they make you believe they are their to protect you, they are lying. These murderous criminal thugs need to be exposed, arrested, and put in an Insane Asylum with thick rubber padded rooms and Play Station 2, there, there can harmlessly "act out " their pathology, until this is done society at large will be at their criminal mercy, its time people had some guts and stand up to them and show the lies they have been up to. They tried the same "nonsense" here in Canada in June ..it was all "fear propaganda"..Gov't in concert with Rupert Murdock media. Regards, Leica Mann:) I am not afraid. I grew up with the IRA trying to kill me and my family, so nothing's very different now. The scale of the potential massed murder might be different, but they can only blow you up once, so if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's a 100% of a problem, if there are 10 or 10,000 people killed with you. I do not suspect that every brown skinned person is trying to kill me - the vast majority of them are thoroughly decent people who are just as sick of the whole business as everyone else. Islam is not the problem. If there is a governmental conspiracy here, it could be to stir up so much racial hatred in our cities that Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" speech becomes true and a wholesale "solution" to the problem becomes necessary. Given that some cities in the Midlands are reaching a predominantly 50% asian and asian-origin population, that solution could be a very interesting one for white, middle class Anglo-Saxons... That is what I fear, not a bomb, or a falling plane. Destruction of society as we know it. We are beginning to manage these murderous thugs and lock them up, but until we get our foreign policy sorted out, this problem will just continue to grow. There is so much that we have got wrong over the last 100 years, I fear that it will take another 100 to sort it out. One way or the other. This really isn't the place to discuss these matters. Back to the photos... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 11, 2006 Share #98 Posted August 11, 2006 Okay, looks like David Alan Harvey got through the checkpoint. He only had one lens and one body to check in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haris Posted August 11, 2006 Share #99 Posted August 11, 2006 Simple: 1. Do not carry your camera, that is give up of photographing, or 2. Do not travel, or compromise 3. Go to flea market, buy some FED, ZORKI, ZENIT or simillar cameras for 5 USD/GBP, and don't be afraid to put them in checked luggage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 11, 2006 Share #100 Posted August 11, 2006 Yeah, one for the FEDs... ooops, I meant the Russian ones hehehe... Actually, I think that NYC will be a point and shoot digital sadly enough if this charade keeps up. I can't believe that being bare on the plane is a good idea especially that movie "Snakes on a Plane" is coming out... maybe those over there will be watching it for ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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