New product launch, UK. 6th Nov.

[Fedro]

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5 hours ago, nicci78 said:

In Paris if you are a faithful customer, you do not need to pay a down payment. Otherwise, you have to. But it can be used to buy anything else, other than the preorder camera, in case you changed your mind. 
For several years, I do not need to make any pre-payment before receiving the camera or lens. I am also kinda auto enrolled in their waiting list. I can ask to be unlisted if the new camera did not suit me. 
But of course only fidelity grants me these privileges. 

this would confirm that Leica is a cult 

 

[nicci78]

Don’t worry, real cult only occurs on the Apple side. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by nicci78

[sillbeers15]

3 hours ago, marcolinger said:

Same in Luxembourg. I never prepaid for Leica product or another product. I would be shocked if asked for and would change shop immediatly.

I doubt if this is really an interesting subject for a serious Leica forum. In fact asian paing habits are of no interest for non asia living people. Sorry, but reallz no added value for me.

Ahrrr,....your info. makes perfect sense.

No wonder Leica opened four Leica stores in tiny Singapore and are so eager to ship new launched products here.

‘Money makes the world go round’, ‘world go around’..,,

[Jeff S]

Most reputable US Leica dealers do not require payments in advance, including Leica stores like the DC store near me (which also currently has in stock all the SL Summicron lenses).  I’d hardly call many of the independent dealers ‘mom and pop’ that similarly have wait lists requiring no pre-payment.  Some of these are well known, high profile and respected dealers discussed here frequently.

Even then, the resourceful shopper here can typically avoid wait lists altogether by calling around to smaller dealers in smaller cities (still trustworthy dealers listed on the Leica site) to find gear.  I bought an M 240, and later an M10, quickly without problem while  many here were moaning about their wait lists at the big city dealers.

Each country has issues and practices that warrant consideration.  I’m not thrilled about predicted price increases here due to tariffs on lenses.  But I’m not going to bash Leica over it.

Jeff

[Per P.]

Back to the original topic: In Switzerland the launch is also 6th November. Rather than the Royal Opera House I have an invitation for the Leica store in Zürich. Not that it isn't a nice shop ...

[nicci78]

Leica sends invitations for a presentation of a new body by Stephan Daniel and Steve Mac Curry. It will November 6th

[sillbeers15]

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[sillbeers15]

9 hours ago, Jeff S said:

Most reputable US Leica dealers do not require payments in advance, including Leica stores like the DC store near me (which also currently has in stock all the SL Summicron lenses).  I’d hardly call many of the independent dealers ‘mom and pop’ that similarly have wait lists requiring no pre-payment.  Some of these are well known, high profile and respected dealers discussed here frequently.

Even then, the resourceful shopper here can typically avoid wait lists altogether by calling around to smaller dealers in smaller cities (still trustworthy dealers listed on the Leica site) to find gear.  I bought an M 240, and later an M10, quickly without problem while  many here were moaning about their wait lists at the big city dealers.

Each country has issues and practices that warrant consideration.  I’m not thrilled about predicted price increases here due to tariffs on lenses.  But I’m not going to bash Leica over it.

Jeff

Thanks for sharing. In Singapore, number of Leica store out number the Leica dealers.

I remember being the 3rd in line all excited to prepay for a M240 and only collect my purchase 3 days later after official lunch date. I did not do the same when it came to M10 launch. Instead of initiating as a early bird, I received a call from Leica Store offering me a M10 QM set @ full warranty and 10% discount. In my environment, Leica dealer’s value add has diminished. No matter how many calls one make to the local dealers will not help on products Leica store cannot offer.

My current communication with Leica Store is about SL2 price list so that I can make a full payment Preorder. Only this will ensure an early delivery which I desire.

I’m not sure if your world is better or mine? But I know I have the avenue to gain a new launch product the secured way without engaging in favour request.

 

[Jeff S]

6 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

I’m not sure if your world is better or mine? But I know I have the avenue to gain a new launch product the secured way without engaging in favour request.

 

I didn’t say anything about ‘favour request’ (sic). Choices for new product here are to wait list (first come, first serve, without pre-payment), or find a small dealer that has no wait list with the item in stock. What’s not to like (other than a magical world without shortages)?

Jeff

[nicci78]

4 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

My current communication with Leica Store is about SL2 price list so that I can make a full payment Preorder.

I am quite shocked to be obliged to pay full price before having a definitive delivering date. 

In France, never do that in any kind of business, or you a sure to never see your product in time. 

Just remember how Charles Quint became Emperor of Holy roman german Empire instead of François 1er. The Flemish paid in credit, the French fully before the vote. 

[sillbeers15]

15 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

I am quite shocked to be obliged to pay full price before having a definitive delivering date. 

In France, never do that in any kind of business, or you a sure to never see your product in time. 

Just remember how Charles Quint became Emperor of Holy roman german Empire instead of François 1er. The Flemish paid in credit, the French fully before the vote. 

Unfortunately, we pay to secure early delivery with Leica in Asia.

Afterall, it is Leica who determines the rules and conditions. Not the customers.

It is why I say a ‘love-hate’ relationship developed with Leica over time.

Edited October 24, 2019 by sillbeers15

[sillbeers15]

Looks like there will be no SL2 announcement this week. 

Zzzz.....

[Mr.Q]

19 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

Unfortunately, we pay to secure early delivery with Leica in Asia.

Not in Japan. That is poor business practice imo.

[sillbeers15]

1 hour ago, Mr.Q said:

Not in Japan. That is poor business practice imo.

Tell the Germans in Leica 😀

[Chaemono]

vor 36 Minuten schrieb sillbeers15:

Tell the Germans in Leica 😀

It’s not so much a German or an Asian thing, I believe. It has more to do with trust, commitment, and longevity of a relationship. Some of us only take our business to dealers who, how did you put it in #35, “like to strike our butts.” 🤣

[sillbeers15]

11 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

It’s not so much a German or an Asian thing, I believe. It has more to do with trust, commitment, and longevity of a relationship. Some of us only take our business to dealers who, how did you put it in #35, “like to strike our butts.” 🤣

I did not intended to set a tone in Nationality but rather pointing to the source of decision. Btw no other camera makers put in place such a practice. 

Years of buying and using Mercedes Benz since my parents do not encounter such sales practices as well.

I should clarify, it is strictly a Leica thing, nothing to do with other German makers.

[Mr.Q]

Or rather your dealer thing. 

[sillbeers15]

35 minutes ago, Mr.Q said:

Or rather your dealer thing. 

No. These are Leica Stores. Direct employees of Leica and no partial ownership of local business owners. 

Btw, the local folks in Leica Store are extremely polite and accommodating to customer’s request. But Preorder system is in the Leica Store standard Operating Procedure.

[Mr.Q]

5 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

No. These are Leica Stores. Direct employees of Leica and no partial ownership of local business owners. 

Btw, the local folks in Leica Store are extremely polite and accommodating to customer’s request. But Preorder system is in the Leica Store standard Operating Procedure.

Again, not at the Leica Ginza and Leica Kyoto stores in Japan.

So it's your dealer telling you what they want you to hear.

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[Chaemono]

vor 55 Minuten schrieb Mr.Q:

Or rather your dealer thing. 

What I’m thinking. 

vor 15 Minuten schrieb sillbeers15:

No. These are Leica Stores. Direct employees of Leica and no partial ownership of local business owners. 

Btw, the local folks in Leica Store are extremely polite and accommodating to customer’s request.

Try ‘striking their butts.’ See what happens. 😁