atanabe Posted August 3, 2007 Share #81 Posted August 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Okay it's for real . I asked for confirmation on this Yes, we will send out US pricing tomorrow. --- Best regards Christian Erhardt Leica Camera Inc. / Director of Marketing Photographic Division Guy, As I said on the trip, Christian should not play poker Great news, Al Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Hi atanabe, Take a look here *4* New Summarits. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
leicapfile Posted August 3, 2007 Share #82 Posted August 3, 2007 Other than the 75mm which I don't have or need, I have the 35mm Summicron ASPH and the v1 35 Summicron, the 50mm Summicron (both old DR and new tabbed), and the 90mm Elmarit (come to think of it both first and last version, plus a 90mm CL). All but the 90mm CL in chrome, which I think you'll see less and less of out of Leica. No asthetics here vs. black anodized, just the increased weight serves to steady the camera, which is important for us old fuds. Except for the v1 35mm, purchased all new, and all for less money than they're charging now. I see nothing here to entice me to run out and get this set. But that's just me. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted August 3, 2007 Share #83 Posted August 3, 2007 Finally, I wonder if Leica is looking forward here at all, in that there is some way that these lenses can transfer aperture information to the camera, even if the M8 can't do that. A simple lever would do it, or an electronic contact like the R line, or whatever. Carsten, a very interesting point. Have other people also noticed what look like four contacts at the black edge next to the bayonet? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/30205-4-new-summarits/?do=findComment&comment=319717'>More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 3, 2007 Share #84 Posted August 3, 2007 Hey! We just got four totally new lenses out of Leica that none of us expected-- Maybe not "none of us". <G> New lenses like this are an intelligent response to the lens competition Leica faces from Voigtlander and Zeiss. The results of this competition should be good for photographers. While some photographers don't take the Zeiss and CV lenses seriously, Leica is not blind to how the three brands have compared in certain lens reviews. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 3, 2007 Share #85 Posted August 3, 2007 If I remember the count on coding i think there were four available codes to be used , so as far as coding maybe nothing would be discontinued but I have a feeling something might because they still need to build a 15mm F4 and also a 21 f2 and 24 f2, so they will need those spaces Guy-- As I recall, Carsten had calculated over 2000 possible variants. Even if the count is just 2^6, you get 64 possible choices without doubling up. And they can always ask us to send our M8s back to have the new 7-bit code reader installed. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted August 3, 2007 Share #86 Posted August 3, 2007 "Leica Camera Inc. / Director of Marketing Photographic Division" At first glance, I thought you had an official title, Guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapfile Posted August 3, 2007 Share #87 Posted August 3, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sol, Guy seems to buy enough new lenses to merit a title from them! [:>}} Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 3, 2007 Share #88 Posted August 3, 2007 ... While some photographers don't take the Zeiss and CV lenses seriously, Leica is not blind to how the three brands have compared in certain lens reviews. «Qui, moi?» Sean, I'm ready to eat my earlier words. Where I live, no-one stocks Zeiss or Voigtländer. Until I started visiting this forum, I had no idea how popular their products were. And ReRe (as well as images posted here) have certainly demonstrated why. You're right, this is a very special move. But I bet Zeiss can still drop prices quite a bit. And if they'd get their heads around the fact that ZM lenses should bring up the same frame lines as the Leica counterparts, they would avoid another stumbling block. A predictable but unexpected move from Leica. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted August 3, 2007 Share #89 Posted August 3, 2007 I suspect these were designed around the M8 and it 1.33 crop factor. I doubt they will work as will with the film cameras, but film is not Leica's future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted August 3, 2007 Share #90 Posted August 3, 2007 On the topic of the looks of the lenses (not referring to their optics here), I really like the plain, simple and straight design. But I must say I find the return to the original Leitz font a bit over. I understand they want to make a reference to their roots and perhaps appear traditional. But I just like the current font better and it would also be more suited to these "modern" lenses IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjcha Posted August 3, 2007 Share #91 Posted August 3, 2007 I wish they'd introduce a fast, digital only 24. I'm not asking for a whole range of digital only lenses... just one. Cosina? Digital only 25mm Ultron? Please? Best, -Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J J Kapsberger Posted August 3, 2007 Share #92 Posted August 3, 2007 rsh, I was thinking the very same thing. Why design a killer lens whose edge performance would not be realized due to sensor cropping? They've got a great family of lenses for film cameras.But digital is Leica's future. For now, it seems more sensible to design digital-optimized lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted August 3, 2007 Share #93 Posted August 3, 2007 And a new 90mm looks sweet. f2.5 eh? that's a nice compromise as ISOs go up . But we'll have to see how they draw... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 3, 2007 Share #94 Posted August 3, 2007 If I remember the count on coding i think there were four available codes to be used , so as far as coding maybe nothing would be discontinued but I have a feeling something might because they still need to build a 15mm F4 and also a 21 f2 and 24 f2, so they will need those spaces Guy, Carsten's table has 28 or 29 entries filled in (I counted quickly). It has been tested against the table which you can read in the firmware. That table suggests that the WATE actually is given three lines so that they can jump to different routines for vignetting correction. There is a problem going beyond 6 bits (because 6 bits of lens code and two bits of frame lever selection adds up to a nice convenient overall lens id of 8 bits, as some close observers of the firmware and EXIF have concluded), but there are still at least 30 codes left to be used for new and old lenses. Incidentally, these lenses are exactly what SK Lee described in his LFI aside. Wouldn't you expect a nice pre-ASPH sort of look from them? I looked in the latest firmware (1.107(2)) but the codes have not yet been added. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 3, 2007 Share #95 Posted August 3, 2007 I suspect these were designed around the M8 and it 1.33 crop factor. I doubt they will work as will with the film cameras, but film is not Leica's future. Not a chance these are for full frame, there is a future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 3, 2007 Share #96 Posted August 3, 2007 Sol, Guy seems to buy enough new lenses to merit a title from them! [:>}} Jerry Certainly true Jerry, no question there. I'm excited about this, this is a very solid move on there part. i actually feel like they listened to me. I'm sure they did not but still makes me feel good i brought this up a long time ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjcha Posted August 3, 2007 Share #97 Posted August 3, 2007 Digital optimized lenses doesn't make any sense to me. A sensor optimized to all the lenses already out there would be better. Having said that, as the owner of an R-D1 and M8, I would like one exception, to tide us over in the meantime -- a fast 24/25. Other than that, I don't want any. Best regards, -Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walt Posted August 3, 2007 Share #98 Posted August 3, 2007 I think the M8 is desperately in need of new lenses, but, with the possible exception of the new 35, none of these seem to fit the bill for the photojournalistically inclined. I have felt that Leica came out with the M8 to peddle their old lenses, but none of these old lenses are optimized for the M8--they are a compromise in every regard. They are heavier and larger--or convesely, slower for a given weight and size--than they need to be to cover the 1.33 image circle. And they are too contrasty for a digital sensor. "New" lenses that are also designed for the film cameras do not solve these problems. What I need for this camera is faster, wider lenses that are appropriately compact for the 1.33 crop. As one glaring example, how about a 26mm/2.0 that is the size of the older 35 Summicron? Or faster, more compact 28's, 24's, 21's? Or what about just rereleasing the the 35 Suumicron IV? If you really want a 35/2.5, buy the CV lens--it's a great piece of work and a steal at US$300. The current Elmar 50/2.8 is a great lens and only half a stop slower. I think Leica is being incredibly unimaginiative here. When are they going to stop chasing other people (in this case Zeiss and CV) and do something original? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted August 3, 2007 Share #99 Posted August 3, 2007 That seems unlikely to me. I think it's more likely that there will be only three prefixes in the future: Noct - superfast (1.0) Noctilux Summ - fast (1.4 - 2.5) Summilux, Summicron, Summarit Elm - slow (2.8 - 4) Elmarit, Elmar, Tele-Elmar, Macro-Elmar, Tri-Elmar Except they have already used the SUMMARIT designation. That was a FAST version of the Summar in the early 50's. It was a 50mm f1.5 lens -- repeat f1.5... They should call this new one a Summitel Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted August 3, 2007 Share #100 Posted August 3, 2007 Except they have already used the SUMMARIT designation. That was the FAST version of the Summar in the early 50's and it was a 50mm f1.5 lens -- repeat f1.5... Jack Yep. And now they're using it again, to mean something else. Probably a very good move, from a marketing point of view. f/1.5 isn't interestingly different from f/1.4, for which they already have a name - and a name which is already applied to what's widely viewed as the best 35mm format lens in the history of the world (the 50/1.4 Summilux ASPH). They're clearly not going to introduce a line of f/1.5 lenses, so bringing the name, which echoes the superstar Summicrons and Summiluxes, out of retirement to apply it to a new economy line of moderately fast lenses is very clever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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