precsmo Posted August 11, 2006 Share #21 Posted August 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Shutter lag" discussion on this PanLeica terminates my interest in it. My order for the M8 stays in place. -g there is no confirmation here that the dmc-l1's shutter lag is poor? moreover, the camera was reviewed that only when using live preview, the shutter lag will be greatly affected, but as there is an optical viewfinder available, and eventhough it is claimed to be small and dark, i'm not to worry and this will not be a reason stopping me buying this camera. well, there is no right or wrong to anyone buying any of the camera in the market. it is personal choice and i believe your M8 can take stunning pictures too. well, as long as the e-330 being thoroughly reviewed, and it is proven that it is quite a good performer in many ways. and i believe dmc-l1 will just perform as good as it, and there will be not too far differences from most aspects on both camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Hi precsmo, Take a look here First full review of the DMC L1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MJLogan Posted August 16, 2006 Share #22 Posted August 16, 2006 There's a "field report" (as opposed to a full technical review) at: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/Panasonic-L1.shtml Very insightful. Not surprisingly, the lens gets more praise than the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 16, 2006 Share #23 Posted August 16, 2006 I vant L1... it's cheaper than the M8. Plus I will have a digital Summilux on it. Sweet. No complaints. Although perhaps I might just Oly the whole thing... just get the Panny lens and that's good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 17, 2006 Share #24 Posted August 17, 2006 Fence sitting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted August 17, 2006 Share #25 Posted August 17, 2006 I have to say that this looks like my next digital camera purchase. Most of the reviews so far point out that the chief attraction is the Leica elmarit zoom lens. A powerpoint slide shown elsewhere in the forum seemed to indicate additional 4/3rds Leica lenses being available during 2007, including a much faster 50mm equivalent. My expectation would be you could buy this camera and add on some wider and faster lenses and end up with a nice piece of kit for weekend amateur photographers like me. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r_smith Posted August 17, 2006 Share #26 Posted August 17, 2006 Hmmmm. Will someone please explain to me just what is the point of the 4/3 system? It's not smaller. It's not lighter. It's not cheaper. And just for good measure, you get a lousy viewfinder thrown in. Of course, I may be missing the point John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 17, 2006 Share #27 Posted August 17, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's not smaller? Huh, it's a lot smaller than the Nikon D2X or Canon Mark whatever weeweebang... Cheaper, just buy a used Olympus E300 then... that's a bargain then slap the lenses on. Better... well the lenses are better I know. That's a good start... Of course, there's always that forthcoming Canon Rebel that you can slap your R lenses to get those wonderful fashionistas plastic Leica Cokeglassbottle shots in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted August 19, 2006 Share #28 Posted August 19, 2006 There's another mini field report here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1033&thread=19654759 The poster generally echoes both the criticisms and praise in the Luminous Landscape report. He includes a few very nice street shots that might appeal to the Leica crowd (are there enough of us to constitute a crowd?). One of my frustrations in trying to decide if I really want an L1 has been the pedestrian quality (as photos, not as pixel-peeping fodder) of most sample images so far. Finally, with these street shots and the lovely landscapes and details on Luminous Landscape, there are some photos that demonstrate what the camera can accomplish aesthetically, as well as technically. I know, I know: that's at least 90% the photographer--I've done my own best recent work with a rather noisy, 3.5 MP D-LUX1 P&S. But it's hard to plunk down $2,000 for a camera when you haven't seen any pictures that truly impress... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted August 19, 2006 Share #29 Posted August 19, 2006 I vant L1... it's cheaper than the M8. Plus I will have a digital Summilux on it. Sweet. No complaints. Although perhaps I might just Oly the whole thing... just get the Panny lens and that's good enough. You won't have that digital Summilux til sometime next year (it hasnt even been officially announced), and it will be a non-OIS prime. The kit lens is a Vario-Elmarit. A truly fine lens, by all accounts, but if the difference between f/1.4 and f/2.8 is a dealbreaker for you, you'll be twiddling your thumbs for a good while. If I end up with an L1, I'll be looking forward to the prime Summilux, myself. If you're considering an Olympus body in hopes of using the L1's lenses, note that the Olys don't support the PanaLeica on-lens aperture rings. I have no idea if that's something they can change in firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted August 19, 2006 Share #30 Posted August 19, 2006 Again? I don't understand why Panasonic and PanaLeica cameras are unable to be as fast as any $1,000 DSLR in raw mode. Because the pixels aren't big enough. For the near term, pixel size of at least 6.8 mu seem to be the smallest size that will yield a noise free ISO 800 image. That means that the smallest sensor that will produce 11X14 prints is at least 1.6 crop factor(Nikon) or 1.5(Canon). And all cameras in this range are DSLR's except for the Epson RD1 and the upcoming Leica M8. So if you want a compact, low noise, 800 ISO+ digital camera, you have only one choice for now, the RD1. Thats why I have a RD1 and am waiting for the M8. However, it does seem a shame that an affordable rangefinder with a large sensor could not be produced. Their is no technological reason to prevent it. Mostly its a marketing thing, i.e. not enough buyers to make it worth while. If the M8 took off with the Leica crowd, then there would be some hope that a lower cost camera manufacturer could enter the market. Meanwhile, if you want a compact camera that equals the best images that a DSLR can produce, you have to spend $$$. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 19, 2006 Share #31 Posted August 19, 2006 We were dicussing shutter lag above, Rex, but i'm an 'old' RD1 user you know (November 2004). Now when i see what Fuji can do with their little sensors i still hope than i can find out a great compact digicam to replace my dear old Digilux 1. Digilux 3 perhaps? M8 is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted August 19, 2006 Share #32 Posted August 19, 2006 We were dicussing shutter lag above, Rex, but i'm an 'old' RD1 user you know (November 2004).M8 is another story. Whoops! Guess I should have read the earlier posts. I was interested in the L1 when it was first announced. But I don't really see what advantage it has over a small 1.6X + DSLR. Granted, it looks really cool and I love the Leica/Panoptics, but its no more compact than a Rebel with worse noise and lower ISO. I've always enjoyed your comments on this forum and the rangefinder forum but I'm beginning to think sensor size is the death knell of the 4/5 systemj. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbstitt Posted August 20, 2006 Share #33 Posted August 20, 2006 Incidentally, I notice that there's no mention of buffer size in this article... has anyone seen or heard anything regarding the L1's RAW buffer size/performance? I also had the Digilux 2 and the small buffer was an issue with it, I wonder if Panasonic has taken that into consideration this time. Cheers, Simon There is a mention of a buffer but indirectly. The camera will shoot continuous up to 6 RAW images and continous with jpegs. Has to have a buffer to be able to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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