harjtt Posted August 9, 2006 Share #1 Posted August 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Photoxel's has posted their review of the L1 + 14-50 mm lens. A pretty positive review, quiet a view sample shots, high ISO comparisons (the banding issues that were obvious at ISO400-1600 has been fixed), IQ looks pretty good - the site states it as excellent: "Image quality is excellent with good detail and very low noise from ISO 100 to ISO 400, and even ISO 800 is not much of a problem. Noise is visible at ISO 1600 and seems to be more acceptable on some subject matter than others." Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 Digital SLR - Digital Camera Reviews - Photoxels Cheers Harj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 9, 2006 Posted August 9, 2006 Hi harjtt, Take a look here First full review of the DMC L1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
simon_hughes Posted August 10, 2006 Share #2 Posted August 10, 2006 I'm glad to see this review, especially the comparison pictures of the L1 to M series and other cameras. I have been intrigued about this one but worried about the size of it. Unfortunately, it still doesn't really give a good comparison with the lens included. I wonder if this is going to be really any more compact than my Canon 20D's? I had a pair of R-D1's that I used for a year and I really liked the form factor and size. While the L1 body may not be too significantly larger than the R-D1, there's no doubt that the lenses will be! It will be interesting to see one in the flesh at some point in the future. Cheers, Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_hughes Posted August 10, 2006 Share #3 Posted August 10, 2006 Incidentally, I notice that there's no mention of buffer size in this article... has anyone seen or heard anything regarding the L1's RAW buffer size/performance? I also had the Digilux 2 and the small buffer was an issue with it, I wonder if Panasonic has taken that into consideration this time. Cheers, Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted August 10, 2006 Share #4 Posted August 10, 2006 the features which distinguish this camera apart from my current d-slr are 1. the live mos sensor, 2. the wave filter to shake the dust off the sensor and 3. the built-in image stabilization. while certainly nice to have, don't know what importance these features are in practical use, though. i'd like to see more examples of high iso images, but so far they don't look that impressive when compared with canon's sensor ability in this area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted August 10, 2006 Share #5 Posted August 10, 2006 Incidentally, I notice that there's no mention of buffer size in this article... has anyone seen or heard anything regarding the L1's RAW buffer size/performance? I also had the Digilux 2 and the small buffer was an issue with it, I wonder if Panasonic has taken that into consideration this time. Cheers, Simon From the article -- "The Panasonic L1 allows you to save an image in the RAW file format. The camera saves your image in both RAW and JPEG. It takes about 4-5 sec. to save both to memory card (I used a regular SanDisk 2GB SD card)." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 10, 2006 Share #6 Posted August 10, 2006 A different analysis (written in Spanish), by Valentín Sama: http://exakta.net/Panasonic-Lumix-L1-Prueba-de-pre-serie.html R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
precsmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #7 Posted August 10, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) thank you for the info. from the start till now, i still in love with dmc-l1, it is simply a superb camera to me. well, yes, i know it is expensive, but once i set my budget, i will buy this camera, and this will be my first dslr even though i've been using canon 350d, 10d, nikon d70 and so on. i just i love with this panasonic camera. i wil definitely buy this one!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 10, 2006 Share #8 Posted August 10, 2006 ...The camera saves your image in both RAW and JPEG. It takes about 4-5 sec. to save both to memory card... Again? I don't understand why Panasonic and PanaLeica cameras are unable to be as fast as any $1,000 DSLR in raw mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted August 10, 2006 Share #9 Posted August 10, 2006 Again? I don't understand why Panasonic and PanaLeica cameras are unable to be as fast as any $1,000 DSLR in raw mode. nor i. the time it takes may be decreased with a high performance memory card (e.g, ultra 2) v the plain sandisk card used in the test. however, that still wouldn't put it in the same league as others. by way of comparison, you can shoot a burst of 6 frames -- raw and jpg -- at (or near) 5 fps with the 20d with a decent performance card. processing buffered data hasn't been one of panasonic's strong points up to now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
precsmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #10 Posted August 10, 2006 Again? I don't understand why Panasonic and PanaLeica cameras are unable to be as fast as any $1,000 DSLR in raw mode. wait?? is there some misunderstanding or miscommuncation here?? I'm very curious myself too, but what the reviewer meant by that was the dmc-l1 is taking entirely 4 to 5 secs to write each taken raw+jpeg picture to the memory card, and i don't think that is affecting the user to take next picture as the camera will have enough buffer to take next few shots while the files are writing into the memory card. if he mentioned the user needs to wait for 4 to 5 seconds each shot before proceeding next shot, then that is a whole new different story! and if it is so, it is a big disaster to the dmc-l1 especially for the price of $2000!!!! but i don't think so, i believe the dmc-l1 will perform as good as e-330, and e-330 is claim to be quite a good performer! I'm seriously confident enough that the dmc-l1 can take many raw pictures averagely at least one shot per second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 10, 2006 Share #11 Posted August 10, 2006 ...what the reviewer meant by that was the dmc-l1 is taking entirely 4 to 5 secs to write each taken raw+jpeg picture to the memory card, and i don't think that is affecting the user to take next picture as the camera will have enough buffer to take next few shots while the files are writing into the memory card... Point taken thanks. ...i believe the dmc-l1 will perform as good as e-330, and e-330 is claim to be quite a good performer! I'm seriously confident enough that the dmc-l1 can take many raw pictures averagely at least one shot per second. I hope so as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #12 Posted August 10, 2006 On the last page of the article it says: CONVENIENCE FEATURES Burst Shooting ModeUp to 6 images (when there are RAW files) at 3 or 2 frames/sec. Unlimited Consecutive Shooting (*2)Yes (when there are no RAW files) Which could mean that the buffer could have sufficient capacity. Untill further confirmation I guess it is wait and see. Regards Gerd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted August 10, 2006 Share #13 Posted August 10, 2006 According to the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 Operating Instructions, the camera offers two burst speed settings of 3 picture/second (High speed) and 2 picture/second (Low speed) for up to 6 consecutive Raw images. Obviously this indicates that there is an adequate image buffer in place to facilitate rapid shot-to-shot Raw shooting. The catch, of course, is the time needed to flush the buffer before the next round of images can be taken. However, this should not be an issue when not shooting in Burst. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/3019-first-full-review-of-the-dmc-l1/?do=findComment&comment=28086'>More sharing options...
precsmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #14 Posted August 10, 2006 well, as i've said earlier on, i've confident that it is goin to be as good if not better than it's brother e-330. also, first, it is priced at $2000, secondly, it is aimed at advanced consumer range, for current market requirement, it is a total failure if it can't even have good enough buffer technology to fulfil the stiff market competition. it is no way it's taking just a shot in raw mode and wait for 4 to 5 seconds, this is absolutely no way. my conclusion is, i've no worry at all as i'm sure it is goin to have reasonable buffering system which it can take many shots as good as film camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
precsmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #15 Posted August 10, 2006 nor i. the time it takes may be decreased with a high performance memory card (e.g, ultra 2) v the plain sandisk card used in the test. however, that still wouldn't put it in the same league as others. by way of comparison, you can shoot a burst of 6 frames -- raw and jpg -- at (or near) 5 fps with the 20d with a decent performance card. processing buffered data hasn't been one of panasonic's strong points up to now. hi davephoto, your gallery is very nice. i like the pictures, very nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
precsmo Posted August 10, 2006 Share #16 Posted August 10, 2006 sigh, i'm still waiting for a full review not on the camera, but the len actually. hope the major reviewer will conduct some professional lens tests on this first digital leica lens soon, and obviousl most buying the dmc-l1 because of the combination of the lens, but not the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted August 10, 2006 Share #17 Posted August 10, 2006 thank you, yin wai! i too await to read/hear more about the upcoming leica lenses. despite hearing some good things about the e-1 system, i never felt compelled to investigate the 4/3 format any further until i heard that leica would be designing lenses of their own. should these lenses live up to their namesake, such an investigation might be merited...especially if someone can design a smaller and lighter body which the 4/3 format was originally supposed to create. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_hughes Posted August 10, 2006 Share #18 Posted August 10, 2006 Well, it does sound as if the buffer has been improved over the D2, which is certainly good news. I'm still concerned, however, over the size of this camera plus lenses. I currently own a pair of 20D's and a bunch of nice glass and from what I've read/seen so far the promise of the 4/3 system smaller lenses just doesn't make me want to do a wholesale switch. I'd dearly love to move to a smaller setup (and I LOVED the R-D1's) but without smaller lenses for the L1 I just don't see the point. Am I off base here? Cheers, Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 10, 2006 Share #19 Posted August 10, 2006 If you want a smaller camera body, don't buy the L1 as it won't shrink in the washing machine, so forget about the if and buts it's in production and selling well in Asia Simple the Oly 330 is the benchmark and the L1 won't be radically different a few tweeks here and there. Extra lenses not planned before 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted August 11, 2006 Share #20 Posted August 11, 2006 "Shutter lag" discussion on this PanLeica terminates my interest in it. My order for the M8 stays in place. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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