Donzo98 Posted July 25, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are any of you using the 16-35 on the S1R?? Curious to know if there any issues?? It as good as on the SL? Is correction applied in camera, or only in LR or other post processing editor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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helged Posted July 25, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Donzo98 said: Are any of you using the 16-35 on the S1R?? Curious to know if there any issues?? It as good as on the SL? Is correction applied in camera, or only in LR or other post processing editor? As good as on the S1R. I assume in-camera corrections are as on the SL, although I haven't made twin photos to verify this. There are quite some examples on the S1/S1R image threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 25, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 25, 2019 Used extensively and basically just the same as on the SL except more pixels in the final image. Theoretically all the image manipulation coding should be in the RAW files exactly as on the SL ...... although I have noticed minor CA in the periphery which needed correction in LR on some S1R images. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted July 25, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 25, 2019 I concur. The 16-35mm works the same as on the SL, aside from the greater resolution of the S1r. BTW, the 16-35mm and the 75mm SL F/2 have become my go-to lenses for the S1r, and while I own other SL lenses, as well as the Panasonic 70-200 OIS, the aforementioned are my favorites, the 75mm rarely leaving the S1r's mount. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 27, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Tried out the 16-35 on my S1R today, looking for subjects that would use the fine detail of the sensor. Here's one example Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000518 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr I made a point of shooting wide open and see not problems with sharpness edge to edge. Edited July 27, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000518 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr I made a point of shooting wide open and see not problems with sharpness edge to edge. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299596-s1r-and-16-35-sl-combo/?do=findComment&comment=3786161'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 27, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) Or this one, which tries to capture the different living styes in the southern edge of Jerusalem and the northwestern edge of Bethlehem, with a valley and a wall between them. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000515 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr Edited July 30, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000515 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299596-s1r-and-16-35-sl-combo/?do=findComment&comment=3786164'>More sharing options...
jrp Posted July 27, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 27, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Basically, it’s as good as it gets ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 30, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/25/2019 at 9:12 AM, helged said: As good as on the S1R. I assume in-camera corrections are as on the SL, although I haven't made twin photos to verify this. There are quite some examples on the S1/S1R image threads. On 7/25/2019 at 9:53 AM, thighslapper said: Used extensively and basically just the same as on the SL except more pixels in the final image. Theoretically all the image manipulation coding should be in the RAW files exactly as on the SL ...... although I have noticed minor CA in the periphery which needed correction in LR on some S1R images. The 16-35 and the 24-90 SL zooms use software postprocessing to remove barrel distortion and lateral CA in a single transformation, performed once color information is demosaiced and available for every pixel. In Leica's DNGs there is a standard way to capture the transformation (a function of focal length and perhaps aperture or focus distance) and it can be inspected. Panasonic's RW2 files are proprietary, format known only to Panasonic, Adobe and some other experts. I can open an RW2 file in C1 and see that the same sort of distortion corrections are being done with the 16-35 on my S1R, as are done on an SL but I can't compare the transformation parameters exactly. Still, I would expect that the information that Leica puts into a DNG would be part of the L-mount specification, rather than held back, since it is not a secret. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 30, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 30, 2019 In fact the one noticeable example CA is on reflection probably caused by 'ghosting' ..... it's a figure against the sky and probably move slightly during a 1/4sec exposure. The problem is absent in rocks close by which are also silhouetted to some extent, and I have other shots where it is clearly subject movement. As you say, there is no reason that Panasonic should have left out lens firmware generated RAW correction info. Running the RW2 files through Adobe'd DNG converter should reveal all..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 30, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 30, 2019 If you do run the RW2 through Adobe's translator, look for a set of lines following the opcode tag WarpRectilinear. You will also find those in the DNG files that Leica produces, fairly far down... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konqi Posted July 31, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Gentlemen, would it be possible to see a photo that shows the 75 Summicron or 16-35 mounted on the S1? 🙂 Edited July 31, 2019 by Konqi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 31, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 31, 2019 take a look at the Evolution post in the SL sub-forum. It has a 16-35 on an S1R and an APO Summicron 35 on an SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 2, 2019 Share #13 Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) I'm a bit late to join the conversation about how effective the S1R IBIS is with Leica SL lenses, There is a Standard Procedure (some sort of standard movement that the stabilizer has to zero out) that allows manufacturers to say they they can add n stops from stabilization. But Roger Cicala claims that he gave up after several months of effort trying to find a measurement of this aspect that would meet his needs of testing whether a returned camera was still as good as new, or to compare two models. My best results have been with the Olympus E-M1.2 and its 12-100mm lens, shooting at 12 mm, while comfortably seated, arms braced and focused on a shelf of books. Half of my tries at 4 seconds with this IBIS + OIS combination were sharp at full resolution. I didn't do as well with the S1R's IBIS and the 16-35 SL (not OIS) lens at 35 mm, but the differences may not matter. Here are the best of two tries at 1/2 seconds and then at 2 seconds, shown at full resolution. The area I cropped out was 0.12 of the frame width, or 1.4% of the total pixels. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000601 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 35mm f/5.6 1/2 sec P1000602 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 2 sec exposure This is actually pretty impressive, since the FF cameras have to move around a chip four times the size of the Olympus M43 chip. Edited August 2, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000601 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 35mm f/5.6 1/2 sec P1000602 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 2 sec exposure This is actually pretty impressive, since the FF cameras have to move around a chip four times the size of the Olympus M43 chip. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299596-s1r-and-16-35-sl-combo/?do=findComment&comment=3789774'>More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted August 2, 2019 I'm a bit late to join the conversation about how effective the S1R IBIS is with Leica SL lenses, There is a Standard Procedure (some sort of standard movement that the stabilizer has to zero out) that allows manufacturers to say they they can add n stops from stabilization. But Roger Cicala claims that he gave up after several months of effort trying to find a measurement of this aspect that would meet his needs of testing whether a returned camera was still as good as new, or to compare two models. My best results have been with the Olympus E-M1.2 and its 12-100mm lens, shooting at 12 mm, while comfortably seated, arms braced and focused on a shelf of books. Half of my tries at 4 seconds with this IBIS + OIS combination were sharp at full resolution. I didn't do as well with the S1R's IBIS and the 16-35 SL (not OIS) lens at 35 mm, but the differences may not matter. Here are the best of two tries at 1/2 seconds and then at 2 seconds, shown at full resolution. The area I cropped out was 0.12 of the frame width, or 1.4% of the total pixels. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000601 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 35mm f/5.6 1/2 sec P1000602 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 2 sec exposure This is actually pretty impressive, since the FF cameras have to move around a chip four times the size of the Olympus M43 chip. Damn good... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 3, 2019 Share #15 Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) Lotus pond. With and against the sun: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000656 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 16-35@35 f/4.5 P1000626 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 24 mm@f/4.5 Edited August 3, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000656 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 16-35@35 f/4.5 P1000626 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 24 mm@f/4.5 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299596-s1r-and-16-35-sl-combo/?do=findComment&comment=3790734'>More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted August 3, 2019 Share #16 Posted August 3, 2019 Varying focal length on the 16-35 @f/4,5. All are sharp edge to edge and foreground to the trees. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000632 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 28 mm P1000637 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 21 mm P1000639 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 16 mm Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! P1000632 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 28 mm P1000637 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 21 mm P1000639 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 16 mm ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299596-s1r-and-16-35-sl-combo/?do=findComment&comment=3790740'>More sharing options...
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