colonel Posted May 13, 2019 Share #1  Posted May 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I never went to M10 (it might still come at some time in the future ) and recently picked up a Leica SL to play with for the first time, and WOW its so beautiful to use!! I have used the Z6, RP, A7 series but didn't realise just how different the build of the SL is. Closest to the Z6 but not that close ... I dont need any SL lenses at the moment, and wondered whether its a good time to buy a SL body with an M adaptor and use my M lenses on it - especially as the price has dropped recently. I figure that in the future I can use the AF functionality by buying a Leica SL lens or seeing what Sigma and Panasonic come up with, which makes me very excited What do you guys think about the strategy ???  2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnbuckley Posted May 13, 2019 Share #2  Posted May 13, 2019 It's a good strategy for a great camera. Yes, a new one clearly is coming, likely sometime this year. But if you are trading up from a 24mp M-240 to a 24-MP SL, the deals they are offering are pretty sweet. And if you do trade up, borrow the 24-90 zoom -- as an M lens user, you'll be stunned at what a great lens it is. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamhoey Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3  Posted May 13, 2019 Totally agree, the SL is a great camera. The only think I would add is have you thought about the S1 or S1R. A brand new camera body and amazing with SL glass. I haven't used my S1R much with M glass but there are lots of comments and reviews on this forum regarding that. Form factor and look of SL is much nicer in my view but high ISO abilities of Panasonic S cameras is much better than the SL, it has great IBIS, faster AF etc. Not trying to dissuade you from the SL, as I said a great camera, but just presenting another option. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #4  Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) If you feel motivated to buy an SL, buy it used.  A new SL, purchased today, will lose half or more of its cost to you the minute you leave the store.  I would consider Grahamhoey's suggestion and take a look at the Panasonic S1 or S1R.  If you strip away the buttons and dials you will be left with what is, IMO and that of others, a visual clone of the SL that is significantly more capable. Edited May 13, 2019 by ron777 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted May 13, 2019 Share #5  Posted May 13, 2019 The only M-body I have used after getting the SL 3.5 yr ago is the M8, for infrared photog. Yes, the Ms are smaller, but my hands prefer the SL. These days I mix between SL and S1R; with a form/simplicity preference for the former, and with AF/high ISO/IBIS preference for the latter. At lowish ISO, I very much like the SL-files! I would likely go for a used SL today, but this depends on what you can get a new body for. It is my understanding that there have been few problems with the SL, so you run a low risk by going for a used body. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 13, 2019 Share #6  Posted May 13, 2019 Do you own other Ms to use with your M lenses?  If not, the decision to give up RF is something only you can decide.  I would only buy an EVF based camera as a complement to my M cameras.  But that’s me.  And if I wanted the SL, I’d probably wait until the SL2 arrives and SL prices sink even more. Others have different perspectives on need vs want (or GAS), and timing/price/value considerations. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share #7  Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 41 minutes ago, ron777 said: If you feel motivated to buy an SL, buy it used.  A new SL, purchased today, will lose half or more of its cost to you the minute you leave the store.  I would consider Grahamhoey's suggestion and take a look at the Panasonic S1 or S1R.  If you strip away the buttons and dials you will be left with what is, IMO and that of others, a visual clone of the SL that is significantly more capable. A great point, however I can get a SL new for just under 30% off list. I have looked at second hand but would effectively be saving only a few hundred pounds which didn’t seem worth it. on the other hand I could wait for the SL2 to come out, that should predicate a load of SLs being dumped on the market. Not that it’s a key buying decision but I reckon I would loose max £1k over a couple of years with a new SL ho hum .... Edited May 13, 2019 by colonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #8  Posted May 13, 2019 If you adhere to Leica's concept of simplicity and simply must have the red dot, then I would wait for the SL2 that is rumored to be announced sometime next month.  And I suspect that you are correct in your assessment of further SL price decline following the SL2's announcement. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 13, 2019 Share #9  Posted May 13, 2019 2 hours ago, colonel said: So I never went to M10 (it might still come at some time in the future ) and recently picked up a Leica SL to play with for the first time, and WOW its so beautiful to use!! I have used the Z6, RP, A7 series but didn't realise just how different the build of the SL is. Closest to the Z6 but not that close ... I dont need any SL lenses at the moment, and wondered whether its a good time to buy a SL body with an M adaptor and use my M lenses on it - especially as the price has dropped recently. I figure that in the future I can use the AF functionality by buying a Leica SL lens or seeing what Sigma and Panasonic come up with, which makes me very excited What do you guys think about the strategy ???  The SL is, and will remain, a superb tool. I for one have no need for the (mooted) resolution of the SL2. 24mp does it for me, including prints up to A3 and even A2. I am sure the SL2 will be great and sell to the habitual upgraders, but for me if it's 47mp like the Q2, it will have moved beyond the sweet spot. I don't need that extra resolution. As many have written here, and on other sites, I am also put off by the burden it will place on my processing and storage arrangements. I am now on my second SL body, and I agree that it's a beautiful bit of kit. I predict that the SL will enjoy a renaissance once the upgraders realise that 47mp may be more of a disadvantage than an advantage. (To me, the main advantage of the fixed lens 47mp Q2 over the 24mp Q is the ability to crop at 50/75 and retain good resolution. That of course is not the case with the (interchangeable lens) SL). I also have a Z6 (with a Novoflex M to Z adapter). It's perfectly OK, but I prefer the SL (which performs much better than the Z6 with M lenses - no surprises there). So, I agree with your thoughts. Get a used SL whilst they are cheap as chips (or even a new one with the discount if you like) and enjoy it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoySmith Posted May 13, 2019 Share #10  Posted May 13, 2019 Colonel, that is a great idea. I still have a M9 but have used it infrequently since getting the SL. I echo  the sentiment that the SL is a great camera, and I don't feel the need to upgrade just to get more megapixels. However more dynamic range and IBIS would be nice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share #11  Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, jcraf said: The SL is, and will remain, a superb tool. I for one have no need for the (mooted) resolution of the SL2. 24mp does it for me, including prints up to A3 and even A2. I am sure the SL2 will be great and sell to the habitual upgraders, but for me if it's 47mp like the Q2, it will have moved beyond the sweet spot. I don't need that extra resolution. As many have written here, and on other sites, I am also put off by the burden it will place on my processing and storage arrangements. I am now on my second SL body, and I agree that it's a beautiful bit of kit. I predict that the SL will enjoy a renaissance once the upgraders realise that 47mp may be more of a disadvantage than an advantage. (To me, the main advantage of the fixed lens 47mp Q2 over the 24mp Q is the ability to crop at 50/75 and retain good resolution. That of course is not the case with the (interchangeable lens) SL). I also have a Z6 (with a Novoflex M to Z adapter). It's perfectly OK, but I prefer the SL (which performs much better than the Z6 with M lenses - no surprises there). So, I agree with your thoughts. Get a used SL whilst they are cheap as chips (or even a new one with the discount if you like) and enjoy it! Which of the Z6 and SL do you use more ? Do you use them for different things or for the same thing in a different mood thanks  Edited May 13, 2019 by colonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike3996 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #12  Posted May 13, 2019 My strategy is to wait until I can pick up an SL for ~€2k or so, but darn if the preowned bodies are dropping slowly in price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #13  Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, mike3996 said: My strategy is to wait until I can pick up an SL for ~€2k or so, but darn if the preowned bodies are dropping slowly in price. Slowly? Just sold mine to a dealer for his maximum of $2800 US., and that’s after 6 mos of ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 13, 2019 Share #14  Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, colonel said: Which of the Z6 and SL do you use more ? Do you use them for different things or for the same thing in a different mood thanks  The SL. Love it to bits. (My all time favourite is my Monochrom, but ageing eyes are a trial with the RF cameras). I was intrigued by the Z6/7 concept, having been a long time Nikon user (second only to my passion for Leica). The Z6 made more sense for me compared to the Z7 (see above, and better Hi ISO), and I bought it with the kit 24-70 and the FTZ adapter. And then a Novoflex Z to M. It has lain largely unused for the last few months and will probably be sold soon......  Edited May 13, 2019 by jcraf 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike3996 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #15  Posted May 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, ron777 said: Slowly? Just sold mine to a dealer for his maximum of $2800 US., and that’s after 6 mos of ownership. Sorry to hear! What I see for sale go around 4-5 k, which is a respectable value for an older body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #16  Posted May 13, 2019 Interesting, since you can buy brand new in US for $5995. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted May 13, 2019 Share #17  Posted May 13, 2019 Well the SL is currently £3195 new inc tax in the UK with the trade in program (for which I would buy the cheapest qualifying camera from a bulk used reseller) which is only c. $4100 so used bodies WILL come down. Ive been pondering adding one to supplement my M240P and M60. I wouldn’t want to give up the RF but an evf m-lens option with movable focus point would be great with my Noctilux..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankojanko Posted May 13, 2019 Share #18  Posted May 13, 2019 The SL is a great companion to the m240. M lenses work great on the SL. SL lenses will also work on the SL2 if you upgrade in the future. I don't think the SL2 will be available directly after the announcement (but I can be wrong). With the price drop the SL is a very interesting option right now. It will continue to be a great camera even after the release of the SL2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted May 13, 2019 Share #19  Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) The SL is the only current mirrorless (other than M cameras) designed to work properly with (wide-angle) M lenses. I would only think about a S1 for R or L lenses.  Edited May 13, 2019 by Leicaiste 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 13, 2019 Share #20  Posted May 13, 2019 7 hours ago, ron777 said: If you adhere to Leica's concept of simplicity and simply must have the red dot, then I would wait for the SL2 that is rumored to be announced sometime next month.  And I suspect that you are correct in your assessment of further SL price decline following the SL2's announcement. I don’t rely on rumor sites for facts, but FWIW, two sites predict later announcement or release.... Leica Rumors changed their June announcement prediction to 3Q... https://leicarumors.com/2019/05/06/the-latest-leica-rumors-sl2-m10x-m-with-evf-apo-summilux-m-50mm-f-1-4-asph-lens.aspx/ And l-rumors thinks availability near year end.. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.l-rumors.com/l4-leica-sl2-will-be-in-market-in-late-2019-only/amp/ Jeff  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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