Scheid Posted May 7, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 7, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am new to the M camera coming from the Leica Q. I have been pleased with Capture One in the past for my processing. I like Capture One because I don’t have to use the cloud associated with Light Room. The presets work well for the Q but seem way too saturated with he M10 presets. Is light room better for colors with the M10? The natural DNG file seems too desaturated...so I am having trouble to get the colors right. Any suggestions appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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papimuzo Posted May 8, 2019 Share #2 Posted May 8, 2019 I found like you that the presets colour gives a too saturated result; but C1 allows a lot of possibilities related to colour temperature (White balance), and or colour adjustemnts:(Colour balance and/or Colour edition). You should get your own rules and register your adjustements. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheid Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted May 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, papimuzo said: I found like you that the presets colour gives a too saturated result; but C1 allows a lot of possibilities related to colour temperature (White balance), and or colour adjustemnts:(Colour balance and/or Colour edition). You should get your own rules and register your adjustements. HTH Thanks for your response...I’ll keep working to try to eliminate the pink hues and strange tint. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 8, 2019 Share #4 Posted May 8, 2019 Another way is to use a Colorchecker Passport and create your profile. That saves a lot of work and "working " 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltma Posted May 8, 2019 Share #5 Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) That's why I made my own profile for C1. You can use it as your wish: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ySCHiXA30lDd8rD6JTMSpnbCzpd2GHc- Sensor: M10-D ISO: 200 Lens Used: Summicron 35/2 ASPH v2 CaptureOne Curve: Film Standard Color Target: Colorchecker Passport Profile Maker: Lumariver Profile Designer Time: May 2019 For color calibration, there are individual differences between sensors. But when you have nothing, this is far better than the C1 default profile. Enjoy! Edited May 8, 2019 by Coltma 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 8, 2019 Share #6 Posted May 8, 2019 Capture One treats the M10-D and the M10 differently. Automatically, it applies an M10-specific profile to M10 files and the DNG generic profile to M10-D files. Both are OK starting points, as I always apply postprocessing corrections to either, but I find they can be left alone, too. However, using the C1 M10 profile on an M10-D file is not a good idea. That tends to give exaggerated reds and blown highlights. So I don't do that anymore. I would guess that C1 treats the M10-P the same as the M10-D, as they both run the same slightly different firmware than the M10. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheid Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted May 8, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 33 minutes ago, Coltma said: That's why I made my own profile for C1. You can use it as your wish: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ySCHiXA30lDd8rD6JTMSpnbCzpd2GHc- Sensor: M10-D ISO: 200 Lens Used: Summicron 35/2 ASPH v2 CaptureOne Curve: Film Standard Color Target: Colorchecker Passport Profile Maker: Lumariver Profile Designer Time: May 2019 For color calibration, there are individual differences between sensors. But when you have nothing, this is far better than the C1 default profile. Enjoy! Coltma- thanks very much for this. I have the M10P so this may work for me. I'll give it a shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheid Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted May 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said: Capture One treats the M10-D and the M10 differently. Automatically, it applies an M10-specific profile to M10 files and the DNG generic profile to M10-D files. Both are OK starting points, as I always apply postprocessing corrections to either, but I find they can be left alone, too. However, using the C1 M10 profile on an M10-D file is not a good idea. That tends to give exaggerated reds and blown highlights. So I don't do that anymore. I would guess that C1 treats the M10-P the same as the M10-D, as they both run the same slightly different firmware than the M10. thanks Scott. What would you recommend for the M10P...just leave alone as "DNG neutral" and create my own presets? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltma Posted May 8, 2019 Share #9 Posted May 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Scheid said: Coltma- thanks very much for this. I have the M10P so this may work for me. I'll give it a shot. Good luck! Waiting for your feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 8, 2019 Share #10 Posted May 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Scheid said: thanks Scott. What would you recommend for the M10P...just leave alone as "DNG neutral" and create my own presets? Thanks Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 8, 2019 Share #11 Posted May 8, 2019 21 hours ago, Scheid said: I like Capture One because I don’t have to use the cloud associated with Light Room. Lightroom Classic CC does not require cloud storage, but is still subscription based, if that’s your concern. It works very well for me, as would most software, once I adjust the software to my own preferred workflow. The tools don’t dictate my color choices; only the interface differs. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted May 8, 2019 Share #12 Posted May 8, 2019 I also created my own profile for my M10 P. For some reason C1 have not updated their software to recognise the existence of a camera that has been around for over six months. So this means that it assigns the generic DNG profile to photos. How hard would it be for them to assign the M10 profile to the P and D variants that use the same sensor? FWIW I used Lumariver to create mine. It has worked very well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 11, 2019 Share #13 Posted May 11, 2019 I'm somewhat skeptical of profiles, since I don't come home with 500 shots taken under identical (event, wedding...) lighting. I get one shot done to my satisfaction, copy that set of settings, and paste that "profile" onto the next shots, making small further adjustments as I go. When the lighting has changed too much I copy what is currently working, and continue to apply that. If I had to produce over 100 finished shots in a day this might need some workflow improvements, but for 10 to 30 selects, the results are better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 11, 2019 Share #14 Posted May 11, 2019 (edited) On 5/9/2019 at 12:32 AM, digger1914 said: . How hard would it be for them to assign the M10 profile to the P and D variants that use the same sensor? Not hard at all, (in C1 you can do it yourself), but it doesn't work right. Either the -P and -D don't use the same sensor, or there is some firmware difference (like a black point setting) that makes the results in the DNG file different. The "raw" file is not just the bits coming off the sensor, but has been subject to all sorts of corrections and attached parameters that Leica adds. Edited May 11, 2019 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheid Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted May 11, 2019 Yes I am learning to adjust the Leica 10 profile by cranking down the saturation, especially pinks and greens. The natural DNG is really too desaturated to pull back in a lot of cases. As Scott says, one preset does not work for all. Still a big learning curve for me so enjoy the input from more experience on this thread. Loving the M10P and new lenses though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltma Posted May 12, 2019 Share #16 Posted May 12, 2019 (edited) On 5/11/2019 at 11:21 PM, Scheid said: Yes I am learning to adjust the Leica 10 profile by cranking down the saturation, especially pinks and greens. The natural DNG is really too desaturated to pull back in a lot of cases. As Scott says, one preset does not work for all. Still a big learning curve for me so enjoy the input from more experience on this thread. Loving the M10P and new lenses though... How my M10-D profile works on M10-D dng? I’m quite interesting to this.🙃 Edited May 12, 2019 by Coltma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheid Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted May 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Coltma said: How my M10-D profile works on M10-D dng? I’m quite interesting to this.🙃 I don't have the M10 D but I am doing much better with the M10P and using the preset (M10 Generic) and then desaturating, adding highlights and contrast seems to be much better. Photos with a lot of green and pink can be tough though...A challenge when I live in the tropics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 13, 2019 Share #18 Posted May 13, 2019 Yes - and that challenge can be well caused by IR light pollution. No M camera has a 100% efficient IR filter on the sensor. I had considerable problems with my M240 in Central Africa. This issue can be easily solved by using a 486 IR cut filter around noontime. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltma Posted May 13, 2019 Share #19 Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Scheid said: I am doing much better with the M10P and using the preset (M10 Generic) and then desaturating, adding highlights and contrast Maybe the "C1 DNG Neutral" will work better as the "baseline". I have a quick test here. C1 DNG Neutral: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Custom ICC: C1 M10 Generic: The "C1 DNG Neutral" is far more close to the color target (the custom ICC) with a little more contrast. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Custom ICC: C1 M10 Generic: The "C1 DNG Neutral" is far more close to the color target (the custom ICC) with a little more contrast. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297020-colors-too-saturated-w-m10-presets-on-capture-one/?do=findComment&comment=3739984'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted May 14, 2019 Share #20 Posted May 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Coltma said: Maybe the "C1 DNG Neutral" will work better as the "baseline". I have a quick test here. C1 DNG Neutral: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Custom ICC: C1 M10 Generic: The "C1 DNG Neutral" is far more close to the color target (the custom ICC) with a little more contrast. interesting..and what does the straight jpg from camera look like ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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