Mauribix Posted July 23, 2007 Share #1 Posted July 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi folks, here again a question (hope this is not just a waste of time): What settings do you usually do in the camera when you shot in B/W in normal light conditions (day, sunny)? (i.e.: contrast, EV, sharpness, filters...) My general settings are 320 iso, no EV compensation (just sometimes -1/3 or -2/3, sharpness high, contrast high)... (this is a question to see the medium of your suggestions on how obtain a film-like fidelity B/W reproduction without postprocessing the .jpg output) regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 23, 2007 Posted July 23, 2007 Hi Mauribix, Take a look here B/W settings on M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bob Ross Posted July 23, 2007 Share #2 Posted July 23, 2007 Hi folks, here again a question (hope this is not just a waste of time): What settings do you usually do in the camera when you shot in B/W in normal light conditions (day, sunny)? (i.e.: contrast, EV, sharpness, filters...) My general settings are 320 iso, no EV compensation (just sometimes -1/3 or -2/3, sharpness high, contrast high)... (this is a question to see the medium of your suggestions on how obtain a film-like fidelity B/W reproduction without postprocessing the .jpg output) regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Hi Maurizio, Images with no postprocessing?! ......... When I read that, I had a vision of standing up in front of a group and saying, "Hello, my name is Bob and I am a compulsive postprocessor and I am glad to be here at CPPA. I hope you can help me." My only try at printing right out of the camera actually produced very nice results, even under a loope. It was a color shot in the winter and I matched the contrast to the light by accident and only went to +1 sharpening, figuring that my 35 cron was sharp enough. I haven't tried doing that with B&W, since I am, in fact, a compulsive PPer and like to twist the curves and dig detail out of the highlights to reduce the "digital" look. I think it is a good subject though a bit scary for anyone used to raw or other forms of pixel manipulations. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 23, 2007 Share #3 Posted July 23, 2007 What Bob said Add to the fact that I like to blend colour channels to get the right look for BW, and therefore I shoot RAW (you don't want a JPEGGED blue channel) well, there you go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 23, 2007 Share #4 Posted July 23, 2007 Hi folks, here again a question (hope this is not just a waste of time): What settings do you usually do in the camera when you shot in B/W in normal light conditions (day, sunny)? (i.e.: contrast, EV, sharpness, filters...) My general settings are 320 iso, no EV compensation (just sometimes -1/3 or -2/3, sharpness high, contrast high)... (this is a question to see the medium of your suggestions on how obtain a film-like fidelity B/W reproduction without postprocessing the .jpg output) regards Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Hi Maurizio Sharpening Standard Contrast Medium High EV sometimes -1/3 I really like shooting black and white jpgs - its rather like shooting film, you need to understand the medium and how to get the most out of it. There's nothing like a party with a fast lens and B&W jpgs only - flying by the seat of your pants! Don't listen to these sad-bugger RAW addicts (Bob & Jamie). They may know how to take photos, but they certainly don't know how to have fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 23, 2007 Share #5 Posted July 23, 2007 I like shooting at ISO 1250 for B&W, which gives a filmlike structure. Shoot DNG, but make life easy on yourself and use the (excellent end easy!) B&W converter in Photoshop Elements5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted July 24, 2007 Share #6 Posted July 24, 2007 Hi MaurizioSharpening Standard Contrast Medium High EV sometimes -1/3 {snipped} Don't listen to these sad-bugger RAW addicts (Bob & Jamie). They may know how to take photos, but they certainly don't know how to have fun! {great shot snipped} Hey Jono--well, if that isn't a gauntlet So I will go out and shoot the M8 with only BW JPEGs--after the firmware (maybe they've changed the JPEG-ing a little? One can hope!), and after a beer or three Question for you, though... do you see any appreciable difference in shooting BW in aRGB or sRGB? I'm just curious. Where / how does the camera make a BW JPEG anyway? Just desaturation you reckon? Or something tricky. I must admit I love the tones on the shot you posted! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted July 24, 2007 Share #7 Posted July 24, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Greetings, Jono-- I really liked the shot. Wonderful photo, great tonally. The jpegs at high iso with fast lenses are like shooting HP5 [which I'm doing a bit of lately, while they figure out what to do with my M8]. In the meantime, another low light jpeg [35mm Nokton f1.2 at about f2]. Cheers, Norm Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/29538-bw-settings-on-m8/?do=findComment&comment=312442'>More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted July 24, 2007 Share #8 Posted July 24, 2007 Hello Maurizio-- Sharpness-Standard Contrast-Med. High EV- -2/3 in very contrasty, low light, as in the above attachment No filters Great low light camera, even if tough to focus with lenses longer than 50mm. --Norm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 24, 2007 Share #9 Posted July 24, 2007 Hi MaurizioSharpening Standard Contrast Medium High EV sometimes -1/3 I really like shooting black and white jpgs - its rather like shooting film, you need to understand the medium and how to get the most out of it. There's nothing like a party with a fast lens and B&W jpgs only - flying by the seat of your pants! Don't listen to these sad-bugger RAW addicts (Bob & Jamie). They may know how to take photos, but they certainly don't know how to have fun! Hey Jono! That is the first time that I've ever been called a "RAW addict":p So here is a flying by the seat of my pants shot at a birthday party. ISO1250, JPRG B&W, contrast med. high, sharpening standard, -1/3EV, 50mm cron, 1/22sec. Ambient interior light was EV 1.5. BUT, it has been post processed for tones, which is what the OP is trying to avoid. Bob Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/29538-bw-settings-on-m8/?do=findComment&comment=312447'>More sharing options...
russell Posted July 24, 2007 Share #10 Posted July 24, 2007 Contrast will depend on the lens. If you're using an old lens like a Summar you probably want to jack up the contrast. If it's a new lens you might even want to reduce... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted July 24, 2007 Share #11 Posted July 24, 2007 Look at Norm's picture. Is it sharp? No. Is there detail in the shadows? No. Are there washed-out highlights? Yes. Is there noise? I would suppose so. But it's a great picture! Visual and emotional impact is what a great picture is about. There are images whose impact is dependent on high definition, but it is not enough, and it can even be too much, or at least irrelevant. A great picture is not a 'sharper than thou' technical specimen. I wonder how Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Capa or Gene Smith would have fared if they had posted their most famous images in this forum. Not to speak of Julia Margaret Cameron. Photo technology is a tool. Superb photo technology is a superb tool. But the craftsman does the work. We should be the masters of technology, not its slaves. ------------------------------------- Technology: I too like to shoot BW in JPG. ISO 1250 gives very nice results. Out of doors, the extended red-sensitivity works somewhat like a medium yellow filter (no IR cut filter of course). A medium orange can be useful. Or for that matter a Type 72 infrared. Just like film – only more! The old man from the Age of HCB Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted July 24, 2007 Share #12 Posted July 24, 2007 Lars-- You seem to have gotten the point exactly--a sharper frame of this couple didn't even work for me as well, and I think this has an "old" feel. Having started with a IIIa and a 50mm Summar, printing in a makeshift darkroom, I find I still appreciate the image I've captured, rather than it having 100% of the qualities of a pefect print. With the M8, I have found I can concentrate on trying to get the shot, and have a tool that rarely gets in the way. I think that's why I began using the rangefinder cameras all those years ago. In this case, the shot, in poor light, with a moving, impossible to focus on subject, seemed to work for me. Not to take anything away from Jono's wonderfully sharp, tonally more inclusive shot of the hands, which I love. Thanks for "getting it." --Norm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted July 24, 2007 Share #13 Posted July 24, 2007 Lars-- You seem to have gotten the point exactly--a sharper frame of this couple, didn't even work for me as well, and I think this has an "old" feel. Having started with a IIIa and a 50mm Summar, printing in a makeshift darkroom, I find I still appreciate the image I've captured, rather than feeling compelled to have managed 100% of the qualities of a pefect print. With the M8, I have found I can concentrate on trying to get the shot, and have a tool that rarely gets in the way. I think that's why I began using the rangefinder cameras all those years ago. In this case, the shot, in poor light, with a moving, impossible to focus on subject, seemed to work for me. Not to take anything away from Jono's wonderfully sharp, tonally more inclusive shot of the hands, which I love. Thanks for "getting it." --Norm [From the age of $45- used IIIc's] Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 24, 2007 Share #14 Posted July 24, 2007 Don't listen to these sad-bugger RAW addicts (Bob & Jamie). They may know how to take photos, but they certainly don't know how to have fun I confess I am a 'sad-bugger RAW addict'. I shoot RAW and then use the Alien Skin Exposure plugin to convert to b&w. I've found a way of converting to b&w that I really like and at the moment I have no plans to change. You can see my latest efforts by visiting the picture a week link in my signature. One of the mistakes I made when I first started scanning an processing negatives (remember those?) was to think that losing shadow and highlight detail was always bad. The outcome was that I had a lot of washy looking scans. A simple adjustment of black and white points was all that was required. Losing detail _isn't_ always a bad thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted July 24, 2007 Share #15 Posted July 24, 2007 A few years ago I had the opportunity to see some original prints by Edward Weston – mostly Western desert landscapes. There was no way a negative, not to speak of a print, could hold that savage contrast. So Weston had decided to go for the highlights and sacrifice the shadows, letting them go inky black. But such highlights! Those prints sang. You could practically feel the heat. That experience taught me to print for detail in the highlights, and for maximum density in the darkest shadows. If I needed more midtones, and a change of paper grade could not do the job, I permitted the highlights to fog up a bit and cleared them with dilute Farmer's reducer on the still wet print. And the main lesson may well be to use your eyes, and not to let anybody else dictate how your pictures should look. The old man from he Age of Edward & Ansel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 24, 2007 Share #16 Posted July 24, 2007 I think you're right Lars, in the end it's up to the photographer to find a look that they're happy with. HCB had an aversion to losing shadow and highlight detail, and if you look at them many of his prints are a bit flat. But that's just the look he was looking for. Can't think what he would have done in a desert <grin> Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted July 24, 2007 Share #17 Posted July 24, 2007 what an ignorance........ tech-toy-boys......... illiteral in photography............. people that lost all the respect to traditions and heritage of photography............ tell me...... have u ever seen b/w print that was called in one of the photoshop names????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? what an ignorance......... tell me........ where the F*** u stick the b/w film into the m8 ?????????? """"""""""""""" i want b/w to look like film """""""""""" i want i want """""""""""""""""............................. .............. u want??????????? . . so go and use film ...... dont talk like ignorant without elementary respect.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 24, 2007 Share #18 Posted July 24, 2007 Victor, please learn some manners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted July 24, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 24, 2007 really, is this forum moderated? Victor needs some talking to at the very least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 24, 2007 Share #20 Posted July 24, 2007 really, is this forum moderated? Victor needs some talking to at the very least. That is an understatement. There appears to be a lack of both control and self-control here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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