gdi Posted July 21, 2007 Share #21 Posted July 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Devil's Causeway shot looks very soft to me (could just be the small jpg). If, because of the unusual size of an XPAN film, one was unable to scan it with anything but an ordinary flatbed scanner, the cropped M8 might well do better. If scanning properly with a 4000 dpi multi-format scanner like a Nikon 9000, well just do the math. You can easily scan an XPAN negative with a Nikon 9000 or even a CS V. I have used both to scan Mamiya 7 Panorama adapter shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 Hi gdi, Take a look here M8 versus XPAN. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
KM-25 Posted July 21, 2007 Share #22 Posted July 21, 2007 Wouldn't stitching be easier? Not if you like to record moments. My Xpan files scanned in with my 9000 ED leave digital in the dust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted July 21, 2007 Share #23 Posted July 21, 2007 Just for info. The Xpan shots were scanned using a Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III film scanner at it's highest setting (though I forget what that is). In order to scan a wide Xpan shot the positive must be scanned twice, once normally, and then reversed. The picture on this site lacks the depth of colour of the original. I can tell you though, as I have both, that the quality of the Xpan far exceeds the M8, and that had they knocked out a digital Xpan we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Saying all that, I use the M8 about 100 times more than the Xpan for all the reasons discussed in other threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMB Posted July 21, 2007 Share #24 Posted July 21, 2007 Just for info. The Xpan shots were scanned using a Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III film scanner at it's highest setting (though I forget what that is). In order to scan a wide Xpan shot the positive must be scanned twice, once normally, and then reversed. The picture on this site lacks the depth of colour of the original. I can tell you though, as I have both, that the quality of the Xpan far exceeds the M8, and that had they knocked out a digital Xpan we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Saying all that, I use the M8 about 100 times more than the Xpan for all the reasons discussed in other threads. Couldn't agree more! A digital XPAN would be a blast. I scann my Xpan shots on a Nikon Coolscan V also in tow goes. It's a bit tricky to block exposure and color but it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted July 21, 2007 Share #25 Posted July 21, 2007 how u come so fast to digital x-pan ??????????????? sensor sensor is not a question ? well maybe...... why not....... how much the x-pan costs? wanna have a real camera in panormaic ??? something that cuts into small peices any digital u can imagine ? ............. super minimalistic and simple - linhof technorama 612 (take it with 58 or 80 lens) huge almost large format size film (on roll film) and the best wide angle lenses on it.......... ) boooooooooh digital ) take a look at real things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted July 21, 2007 Share #26 Posted July 21, 2007 In response to Vic. I have no idea what you are trying to say but it sure is entertaining. I have brought friends round to see these surrealistic responses. Kep...........up thethe gooooooooooooooooood wooooooooooork! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted July 21, 2007 Share #27 Posted July 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) steve im very happy that i entertain u....... ) in response....... i can say that i bring up "my friends" or manily recomend young photographers to have a look over here to see "how not to become tech-toy-boy talking nonesense" ) funny isnt it........ now digital x-pan talks........... then if in any case there will be digital xpan, then there will be this thing : ohhhhhohhhhhhhhohhhhhhhhhhhhhh im crying...... the lenses doesnot cover well neough the wide format ..... uuuuuuuuuuuuuu hhhhhhooooooooo ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh the lenses have cyan colour casts in the colour and falloff ohhhhhohooooooooh im crying........ it is not full frame )))))))))))) so funny............ and all this for what ?????? to make a little better ocasional panormaic photograph ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted July 21, 2007 Share #28 Posted July 21, 2007 Vic, I am almost certain your are absolutely right! And: here are complainers and there are those that enjoy. That's life. Enjoying is much more fun though ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmboy Posted September 1, 2007 Share #29 Posted September 1, 2007 I sure hope the M8 compares favourably, as I (yesterday) sold my much-loved Xpan in order to buy an M8... The workflow of having to scan each panoramic frame as two halves and then stitch together was just too much, despite the camera itself being a delight to use. So it seemed to make more sense to upgrade to a digital system, rather than splash lots of money on one of the expensive scanners which could have done Xpan images in single passes. As liberating as the panoramic aspect ratio can be, it can also be limiting, especially when attempting candid portraiture (and doubly so if you keep forgetting in the moment that the Xpan can be used with a regular frame size quite easily!). I'm looking forward to my new M8, and will probably end up cropping the frames to a more "cinematic" aspect in post: I'll probably mentally compose like that anyway, even if I can't do what I did to my old Nikon SLR and mark 16:9 lines on the viewfinder... ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted September 1, 2007 Share #30 Posted September 1, 2007 Vic, You mean something like this? Seitz Phototechnik AG - Seitz 6x17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Brittenson Posted September 1, 2007 Share #31 Posted September 1, 2007 If you don't mind scanning, get a Mamiya 7 and work with 6x7 originals. I've shot 24x70 with it frequently on 120/220 film and scanned it by loading it into a 135 strip holder at 6300 ppi (on my Imacon). Here's an example: It's a very viable tool. Lens resolution is good enough that I doubt you'd ever tell the difference from an XPAN, unless you work with TMax100 in full strength XTOL, TP, or some such. But scanning is a royal PITA if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 2, 2007 Share #32 Posted September 2, 2007 I have "inadvertently" done the M8 V's Xpan comparison. I regularly shoot stage and theatrical work. At the end of some rehearsals, I am requested to shoot a 'whole of cast + crew' pic. For many years, I shot this on the Xpan (the reason I bought it) because of the natural shape of a large crowd on stage. The results were variable, for many different reasons, but very acceptable within the limits of the lighting plot in place. Since the advent of the M8, I have been using it for this, and other tasks. The immediate 'uplift' in quality of the result was astounding! Now it is not all due to the M8's perceived superiority. Lighting does influence the results in the work I am referring to. Because the M8 deliver's digital output, hidden detail in shadows does improve very noticeably. Analog printing of Xpan negs does not deliver the same detail in such situations. I should point out that in all cases, the output is always hardcopy display prints measuring about 20" on the long side. I will stress that I did NOT shoot these camera side by side. My experience in the shooting environment concerned is sufficient to indicate that the M8 delivers superior results for the job requirement. Individual faces on the M8 pics are much 'clearer' than the Xpan equivalent and the client(s) agree. So, that's a real life observation as opposed to a side by side controlled test. Hope that helps a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 2, 2007 Share #33 Posted September 2, 2007 ya david....... especially for all those leica users that say how compact is leica and then put into it 1000000 lenses and a couple of bodies ...... should be about the same bag........... anyway........ the linhof technorama 612 is much eassier and funnier to handel - the seitz is based on that linhof (or 617 version actually)...... the quality is super too (almost full large format size)......... ah....... the only prblem is that in linhof u have to stuch some filim....... http://www.linhof.de/german/index.html ......... here take a look at it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted September 2, 2007 Share #34 Posted September 2, 2007 XPan is a fine camera and can really be use like a M camera except it is bigger and somewhat less refined. But it can take one shot panoramic! I cannot remember the last time I work on the XPan and quite sure I will not use again and I am not regret. Today's digital workflow just offer a lot more flexibility than what was yesterday with film. XPan lens in my point of view, although sharp, but in poor lighting it cannot render the quality the M users got used to. These were the pictures took years ago with XPan with 45mm lens. To me, after re-compare the quality again, I will confidently say M8 can deliver ONE SHOT picture and cropped to panoramic format at least the same quality as XPan, if not better.Both pictures took in northern Thailand, XPan with 45mm lens, Fuji Velvia 50. Khun The X Pan can also take normal 24x36 frames at the twist of a button. This is a feature that made it an often used camera. Use it for normal 35mm work or switch ot pano as you wish. This in conjunction with spectacularly good lenses make this a very great kit for those who still love film. WoodySpedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted September 3, 2007 Share #35 Posted September 3, 2007 I just bought an almost new XPan and just got back from a wedding in Chicago where I started integrating XPan into some of my coverage (along with the M8 and Holgas since I like to have a broad range of paintbrushes)... Check out my blog in a couple of days... Now, I must crash... I'm exhausted! Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted September 5, 2007 Share #36 Posted September 5, 2007 OK... go here (http://www.riccisvalladares.com/wordpress/?p=536) to view my XPan and M8 coverage of this weekend's wedding... Since my coverage involves people (and due to my crazy travel schedule) the Xpan is a great addition to my kit and complements the M8 nicely. I also did some street work with the XPan and loved it... I'll post some of that soon. Regards, Riccis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted September 5, 2007 Share #37 Posted September 5, 2007 Riccis Your XPan mono shots 1, 3 & 5 are almost classic examples of the power of this camera for interesting panoramic content. Very nicely done and a good reminder of what a great camera the XPan is. They remind me of the edgy B&W reportage style images originally used in the XPan brochures that tempted me to buy my XPan back in 2001. It's my only film camera left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 5, 2007 Share #38 Posted September 5, 2007 ya david....... especially for all those leica users that say how compact is leica and then put into it 1000000 lenses and a couple of bodies ...... should be about the same bag...........anyway........ the linhof technorama 612 is much eassier and funnier to handel - the seitz is based on that linhof (or 617 version actually)...... the quality is super too (almost full large format size)......... ah....... the only prblem is that in linhof u have to stuch some filim....... linhof homepage ......... here take a look at it..... Vic, Since I have on of those Technoramas 612 at home I would like to comment that it might be easy to handle but not easy to carry. Very wonderfull places for panorama are far away from roads etc. The portability of 612 is not comparable to that of the M8 or a xpan. Then you get a 612 slide to scan, which is not possible with one of those higher quality consumer scanners (Nikon9000 or Minolta), you either use a flatbed (and loose the quality you gained) or you need a expensive scanner or give it away for expensive drum scan. Then you get a resolution you wont need as long as you do not want to print big posters. Beautiful camera, but for the mentioned reasons it sits in my shelf and gets dust. However if weight and size, and time and money are no issues, it might be the right tool. cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 5, 2007 Share #39 Posted September 5, 2007 tom hi........ hahah, i was not really suggesting that people will jump from m8 to technorama ) anyway, u carry it with its alumin case???? it is great case to put the camera in and even great to go from car to location as u said but it is indeed horrible to carry to those distant places.... with those things (and master tech too of course which is even bigger stuff to carry) a good backpack is the best as it distributes the weight of the stuff well and comfortably on your back..... shoulder bags (even the leather/canvas) are not good enough - agree........ and ya, scaning should be done on high-end flatbad or drums..... at least the selected images..... otherwise it can be done on some nice flatbad scanner too ..... not every photo is printed and enlarged to big sizes as this camera can do........ and i deffenetly agree........ there is no real point in this camera if u r not going to make real enlargements...... on the normal size prints xpan can do great too and on normal size prints that people usually do for themeselve (about a4) then one can use m8 and crop a bit if panoramic is really needed...... for this no need for imaginary x-pan-digi too......... but tom.......... have u heard that in this forum some people say that m8 files are like mediums and even large formats...... ?? so who needs xpan, and who needs technorama (which is kind of exactly between medium and large) ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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