patrickcolpron Posted October 19, 2018 Share #1 Posted October 19, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I often make over 1000 photos on one battery, I really don't know how people get less than 600 photos on one charge. As an example, at a client today, one battery on the M10, 548 photos made (1096 files on the card, I shot both RAW and .jpeg for a total of 17.88 gig of data on the card) Reviewed the photos more than usual - client wanted to see images every so often. Used live view for a few photos, when shooting from a lower angle, maybe 15 out of 548 photos. Everything was shot in both .jpeg black and white and .dng full resolution. Some of the sequences were shot at 5 frames a second. Probably 100 frames out of 548. I also used the Leica Fotos app to download 15 photos to my smartphone, both the .jpegs and .dng files. My battery after all of this is, at 65% - I only used 35% of its full charge. The only way I can explain this good battery life, using the fastest memory cards on the market - clears the buffer faster. In this case, and I know I am not using the full speed of the SD card, yet I tested it - with a Lexar 128 gig SDHXC II (Lexar Professional 2000x UHS-II U3) 300 MB/s and the Sony SDHC II G card (Sony SF-G UHS-II U3) 128 gigs as well, 300 MB/s. With these cards I get 26 photos at 5 frames a second before the buffer fills up, and the camera slows down. An older SanDisk Extreme SDHC I 30/MBs - I get 22 .DNG photos before the buffer is full and the camera stops at 5 frames a second. It does not slow down, it just stops before going again ... later, once the buffer starts clearing. The camera clearing the buffer faster - works way less and uses less power overall. More than a few times the M10 cameras have taken over 1000 photos on one battery in my camera bag because I left it on - with a soft touch screwed in the shutter release. That is the only reason I carry a spare battery. In case I forget to turn it off. Once it was 1400 black frames and 20% left on the battery - I had made about 60 photos before putting the M10 in my camera bag. For longer battery life, forget about the SD cards you used in your M9 back in 2011, get yourself the fastest SD cards you can today. Donate your old SD cards to people in need, younger folks who are just starting out in photography and are on a budget. A wedding I shot in May, made 1148 photos with one of the M10 and had about 45% left on my battery, I kid you not. That was shot strictly in .DNG format and I shot from 8 am until 1 am on that day. I may not be using the full speed capacity of the card with the M10, yet these faster cards are still faster when 'handicapped' by the camera because it does not use the full UHS II speed - they are still faster than older, slower cards. I don't chimp a whole lot, but I do, just not every shots - I turn off the camera when not shooting. I do connect to the app to transfer photos to my smartphone. I also use live view and the Visoflex every so often. I can't complain about the battery life, because there is nothing really to complain about. Now if I was using slower SD cards, my battery life would probably not be as good. Does anyone else make this many photos on one charge? 7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charleswang Posted October 20, 2018 Share #2 Posted October 20, 2018 I too, find m10’s battery more than sufficient for my use. I am not a professional and therefore cannot speak to battery life under intensive workload like you did, but for my purpose (travel photography) 200-300 exposures taken throughout the day (which is plenty for an entire day of walking as I don’t take 10 continuous shots of the same thing), one single battery usually last for 2 full days, sometimes more. Granted I rarely use the evf and use the live view sparingly. If you do like to peak after shooting or tend to use live view a lot, I think one battery is still more than enough for a whole day of shooting. For me, the purpose of caring an extra battery is in case I forgot to fully charge my first battery. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWV244 Posted October 21, 2018 Share #3 Posted October 21, 2018 I, too, find the capacity of one battery more than sufficient for my day-to-day amateur needs. I usually don't use live view (although I am very glad the M10 offers it), and I don't "chimp." I shoot rather deliberately; if I see something I think would make a good photograph, I will shoot a series of exposures, perhaps from different angles. I could probably go two to three days without recharging. However, I have this sneaking suspicion something really image- or news-worthy might happen at any time, and I would be really upset if I was caught with one battery with little charge left. So, I check my battery level frequently and "top off the tank" when it gets to around 50-60%. Of course, I also put the batter through a deep recharge cycle now and then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2018 Share #4 Posted October 22, 2018 After hearing all the complaints about battery life when the M10 was released, I was surprised to find how long the M10 battery lasts (after a few cycles). I'd usually get through at least one battery, sometimes two, in a day's shooting with my M9 but find the M10 battery roughly on a par with the Leica Q battery, i.e. it gets me through a full day shooting with capacity to spare (including plenty of chimping & LV use). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted October 22, 2018 Share #5 Posted October 22, 2018 I agree, I’m not having battery problem either. on the other hand, “using the fastest card on the market available”, doesn’t make much sense. The camera has it’s own technical limitations in this respect. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 22, 2018 Share #6 Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) For me the capacity of the battery is more than sufficient too. But 1000 shots per battery? No, really not. The TO does actually half that amount but he does dng plus jpg. However I know exactly that when planning a more or less intens shooting day then it does not go without having the spare unit in the bag. And when I simply compare to Canon DSLR then the Leica can not follow. But no problem as I said. Edited October 22, 2018 by Alex U. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted October 22, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 48 minutes ago, Alex U. said: For me the capacity of the battery is more than sufficient too. But 1000 shots per battery? No, really not. The TO does actually half that amount but he does dng plus jpg. On multiple occasions I had over 1000 photos per battery, the wedding where I shot 1148 photos was only .dng files no jpegs On occasions where I shoot around 1000 photos, it is not a combinations of .jpegs and .dng files - I am talking about how many times I pressed the shutter to make a photo, single captures not the amount of files on the DS card at the end of the day. I am not comparing a Nikon pro-body camera with a Leica M10, I am simply stating I reached over 1000 captures on one single battery on multiple occasions and very seldom did I have to change the battery. These 200 to 400 photos per battery claims are just wrong, last shoot was 548 photos both .jpeg and .dng files - and that's 1096 files on the SD card at the end of the day with 65% left on my battery. This feels like re-writting my original post to defend what I am experiencing with my M10 cameras Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted October 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Gobert said: on the other hand, “using the fastest card on the market available”, doesn’t make much sense. The camera has it’s own technical limitations in this respect. This is where - experience comes it and I tested this, as stated in the original post. Newer and faster SD cards are simply faster. I am fully aware I am not be using the full speed capacity of the card with the M10, still these faster cards are faster when 'handicapped' by the camera because the camera does not use the full UHS II speed - they are still faster than older, slower cards. The write speed on these newer cards is faster any way you look at it. And faster memory cards clear the buffer faster, making the camera work less, they are 16% more efficient than slower card at clearing the buffer. It adds up when shooting intensively for a few hours. But don't take my word for it, buy yourself a faster card and experience the difference for yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 22, 2018 Share #9 Posted October 22, 2018 vor 2 Stunden schrieb patrickcolpron: On multiple occasions I had over 1000 photos per battery, the wedding where I shot 1148 photos was only .dng files no jpegs On occasions where I shoot around 1000 photos, it is not a combinations of .jpegs and .dng files - I am talking about how many times I pressed the shutter to make a photo, single captures not the amount of files on the DS card at the end of the day. I am not comparing a Nikon pro-body camera with a Leica M10, I am simply stating I reached over 1000 captures on one single battery on multiple occasions and very seldom did I have to change the battery. These 200 to 400 photos per battery claims are just wrong, last shoot was 548 photos both .jpeg and .dng files - and that's 1096 files on the SD card at the end of the day with 65% left on my battery. This feels like re-writting my original post to defend what I am experiencing with my M10 cameras Thats great for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 23, 2018 Share #10 Posted October 23, 2018 In what time did You shoot 1000 Frames with one battery? I don´t believe the fast SD Card is the reason. My experience: It is mainly the time. The M10 needs the most power for just being on. Try it. Set Auto Power to "off" and let the camera alone for two or three hours. And then look for battery capacity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, elmars said: In what time did You shoot 1000 Frames with one battery? I don´t believe the fast SD Card is the reason. My experience: It is mainly the time. The M10 needs the most power for just being on. Try it. Set Auto Power to "off" and let the camera alone for two or three hours. And then look for battery capacity. I have no clue why would anyone leave the M10 to auto power off, takes as much time to wake up as turn on, and for having tried it - it drains the battery The wedding was between 8 am and 1:30 am - I never use Auto Power off, I always turn it off when I do not use it. Other times was usually in the span of 6 hours And a couple of times by accident in my bag that was about an hour and a half. Yes faster cards play a role in the battery's duration. But what do I know, I only have been shooting for 40 years using over a dozen different camera systems and currently using 10 cameras, the speed of the memory card play a huge role in battery life, the faster you clear the buffer - the longer your battery will last. I am really starting to think joining this forum and then sharing my experience on it was a big mistake. Edited October 23, 2018 by patrickcolpron 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted October 23, 2018 Share #12 Posted October 23, 2018 Auto Power off is just a test. Try it an You will see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duoenboge Posted October 23, 2018 Share #13 Posted October 23, 2018 I charged my battery and made (with my M10-P) an test: LV on, ISO auto, time auto, different light situation between the shots. The result is not so bad: 1067 photos till the camera got frozen. The camera body became quite warm. It´s nothing to complain I would say. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted October 23, 2018 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2018 happy to say that as an amateur, the battery issue is a non-factor! Albert 😋 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infantasy Posted October 29, 2018 Share #15 Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 1:56 AM, patrickcolpron said: I have no clue why would anyone leave the M10 to auto power off, takes as much time to wake up as turn on, and for having tried it - it drains the battery The wedding was between 8 am and 1:30 am - I never use Auto Power off, I always turn it off when I do not use it. Other times was usually in the span of 6 hours And a couple of times by accident in my bag that was about an hour and a half. Yes faster cards play a role in the battery's duration. But what do I know, I only have been shooting for 40 years using over a dozen different camera systems and currently using 10 cameras, the speed of the memory card play a huge role in battery life, the faster you clear the buffer - the longer your battery will last. I am really starting to think joining this forum and then sharing my experience on it was a big mistake. What capacity of your SD card? 32G or so .. I think the write speed could be more faster if using small capacity SD card. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 29, 2018 Share #16 Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) The final word here is that battery power is absolutely no issue with the M10. That is good news anyway. Even though I would not advise anyone to take just one battery when planning a wedding with over 1000 shots. I never ever did that. Even with the Canon 5D Mk IV I never reached that figure in practice. It seems like with petrol consumption of an engine. The advertising says 5 liters for 100km but the practice is another thing and when you try very very very hard you might do it maybe. But I see no reason to try so hard. So I expect some 250 shots with the M10. If I get more then thats fine. Edited October 29, 2018 by Alex U. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share #17 Posted November 14, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 8:07 AM, elmars said: Auto Power off is just a test. Try it an You will see. If I was to use my camera as decoration on a book shelf, wonderful - no battery used ! I have it set at 2 minutes auto power off. Problem is I use 3, sometimes 4 cameras on a shoot to avoid changing lenses. Cameras all have a soft touch release. In and out of camera bags always on, always metering - always draining the battery. These are work tools, not decoration Auto Power off just drains the batteries the way I use my cameras 😉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share #18 Posted November 14, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 9:16 AM, duoenboge said: I charged my battery and made (with my M10-P) an test: LV on, ISO auto, time auto, different light situation between the shots. The result is not so bad: 1067 photos till the camera got frozen. The camera body became quite warm. It´s nothing to complain I would say. It is nothing to complain about - last shoot with a single M10, 681 photos both .jpeg and .DNG and 75% of the battery left, only used 25% and had 1362 files on that SD cards at the end of a 4 hours shoot - camera always off when not shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share #19 Posted November 14, 2018 On 10/23/2018 at 3:45 PM, albertknappmd said: happy to say that as an amateur, the battery issue is a non-factor! Albert 😋 Top 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickcolpron Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share #20 Posted November 14, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 11:30 AM, Infantasy said: What capacity of your SD card? 32G or so .. I think the write speed could be more faster if using small capacity SD card. The capacity and types of cards I use are listed in the original post. 😉 I would never use a 32 gig card today - this is the 21st century after all - memory is cheap now a days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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