Set up questions - 007

[Deliberate1]

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Friends, I have some questions regarding my new 007.

First of all, I cannot seem to figure out how to assign the the focus to the joy stick. Seems to me that with my S006, I set the focus to Manual, and it happened. But maybe there was more to it.

Secondly, I am playing around with the Live View but cannot seem to get the focus peaking to work after activating it in the menu. I hit the LV button, turn the focus collar and the view magnifies, but there is no color. I have tried every color option, and still no indication. I am aware that it may not work with high ISO and slow shutter speed so I have manually set the camera to lowest ISO and a fast shutter speed. The LV seems a bit wonky as well. Once I engage it, it immediately magnifies. But then it can step back to full view once I stop adjusting. And I understand that may be normal. But often it balks to return to LV when I turn the collar again. Or it sort of freezes with a certain view and I have have to get out of it. I have not seen this phenomenon with my Q. I did hit camera reset to default in the event there was some weirdness. Could this be a lens issue - where the lens has to be updated to the camera?

I cannot seem to get the range window to work and have no idea when it is supposed to illuminate or what it shows.

Finally, how accurate is the bull's eye with the focus screen. If it is dead on, that very cool. I always wonder where the precise focus point is with my 006.

All that said, I am seriously impressed with the low light capacity vs. my 006 just with the few test shots I have made.

Thanks for the help.

David

Edited September 17, 2018 by Deliberate1

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[Jeff S]

This old review from David Farkas addresses some of your issues, e.g., top DOF display. The linked video may also be helpful, particularly for LV features.

 

https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2015/09/leica-s-typ-007-review/

 

Jeff

[ZHNL]

Friends, I have some questions regarding my new 007.

First of all, I cannot seem to figure out how to assign the the focus to the joy stick. Seems to me that with my S006, I set the focus to Manual, and it happened. But maybe there was more to it.

Secondly, I am playing around with the Live View but cannot seem to get the focus peaking to work after activating it in the menu. I hit the LV button, turn the focus collar and the view magnifies, but there is no color. I have tried every color option, and still no indication. I am aware that it may not work with high ISO and slow shutter speed so I have manually set the camera to lowest ISO and a fast shutter speed. The LV seems a bit wonky as well. Once I engage it, it immediately magnifies. But then it can step back to full view once I stop adjusting. And I understand that may be normal. But often it balks to return to LV when I turn the collar again. Or it sort of freezes with a certain view and I have have to get out of it. I have not seen this phenomenon with my Q. I did hit camera reset to default in the event there was some weirdness. Could this be a lens issue - where the lens has to be updated to the camera?

I cannot seem to get the range window to work and have no idea when it is supposed to illuminate or what it shows.

Finally, how accurate is the bull's eye with the focus screen. If it is dead on, that very cool. I always wonder where the precise focus point is with my 006.

All that said, I am seriously impressed with the low light capacity vs. my 006 just with the few test shots I have made.

Thanks for the help.

David

1.Setup- customize control-AF/AE lock button-in MF mode=AFs On (you can choose AFc On as well)

2, if you already setup focus peaking in your CAPTURE ASSISTANT, during LV, you just hit any button around your LCD and cycling 'i' button, you will see peaking.

3. Again, in CAPTURE ASSISTANT, disable manual focus assist. It will no longer magnify if you accidentally touch focus ring. 

4. Rang will light up when you light touch shutter. However, it is not that useful. as I found it is not reliable. I will not use it. 

5. There is no difference in terms of AF accuracy between 006 and 007. 007 seems faster, but not that useful in field as most of time it is just hunting more that move faster back and forth. 

 

Dynamic range  and low light capability are very real. It will make the system more versatile and can handle wider range of shooting. However, as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't have the magic file of 006 has for portrait, and I prefer S006 color IMHO. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by ZHNL

[SaW]

It's not the 1s time I read the S006/S2 shows better/more pleasing colors than the S007.

I was using an S2 and am now using an S007. 

During a few days I had both systems and could compare them.

Couldn't find any relevant color/renderin differences between them (made a Gretagmacbeath profile for the S2 and another for the S007 in Ligthroom).

Some colors obviously have hue/density differences but I can't name the overall rendering of one more or less pleasing than the other.

However I did correct my S007 lightroom profile/color settings the way I liked (if I found the the greens of the S006 more pleasing I adjusted the ones of the S007 to look like them, if the blues from the S007 were better to my taste then I kept them untouched).

For me there is color differences between both sensors but no magical rendering difference that couldn't be recreated in Lightroom.

I 'm also using a Leica M9 and am used to the CCD pop effect of limited dynamic range sensors. But who can do more can do less and it is easy to give the S007 files a pop that is more S006 like (and save it as a user profile to be used to taste).

 

I admit that my comparison of both bodies was somehow basic so if you could elaborate on your perception of the S006 pop and on which profile settings it is based it could be helpful for better understanding what you really mean.

Edited September 17, 2018 by SaW

[Deliberate1]

1.Setup- customize control-AF/AE lock button-in MF mode=AFs On (you can choose AFc On as well)

2, if you already setup focus peaking in your CAPTURE ASSISTANT, during LV, you just hit any button around your LCD and cycling 'i' button, you will see peaking.

3. Again, in CAPTURE ASSISTANT, disable manual focus assist. It will no longer magnify if you accidentally touch focus ring. 

4. Rang will light up when you light touch shutter. However, it is not that useful. as I found it is not reliable. I will not use it. 

5. There is no difference in terms of AF accuracy between 006 and 007. 007 seems faster, but not that useful in field as most of time it is just hunting more that move faster back and forth. 

 

Dynamic range  and low light capability are very real. It will make the system more versatile and can handle wider range of shooting. However, as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't have the magic file of 006 has for portrait, and I prefer S006 color IMHO. 

ZHNL,

Obliged for the assistance. I got the peak focus to work.

But not the toggle focus. I reset the camera to default settings. Then went to customize control. Then AF/AE Lock button. Then In AF Mode engaged.  Then final window AFs on. And still no active toggle focus. The shutter button focus works fine to focus the lens, so the two are talking to each other. Also, nothing I do seems to activate the window on the top left. What does that do? I have a call into Leica but always appreciate the collective wisdom here.

David

[John McMaster]

'Window' in top left is the GPS ;-)

 

john

[Deliberate1]

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Actually, just got a call from John from Leica. All I had to do is to hit the top right button, scroll down to "MF" and activate for the toggle. No need to go to the AF/AE customization. Also learned that the window on the left of the hot shoe just protects the GPS and has no active function.

All good.

Thanks all.

David

[Deliberate1]

'Window' in top left is the GPS ;-)

 

john

Yep (humbled).

[ZHNL]

ZHNL,

Obliged for the assistance. I got the peak focus to work.

But not the toggle focus. I reset the camera to default settings. Then went to customize control. Then AF/AE Lock button. Then In AF Mode engaged.  Then final window AFs on. And still no active toggle focus. The shutter button focus works fine to focus the lens, so the two are talking to each other. Also, nothing I do seems to activate the window on the top left. What does that do? I have a call into Leica but always appreciate the collective wisdom here.

David

Glad to see you finally get it worked. I assume you know you have to be in MF mode. The adjustment I listed is under MF mode

 

S007 is one of simplest camera. Obviously, Nikon will not work for you, and Sony will be totally OUT. That is really a compliment, I feel Leica got it right. It is designed for photographer than geek. 

 

Talk about simple of use, I prefer S006 even more with dedicate shutter speed control. For S006, I can quickly change shutter speed entering manual mode which I used all the time, For 007, if you were not in manual mode, you have to long push wheel to active Mode selection, enter Manual mode, then select shutter speed. Even in case you were in M mode, you still have to active meter by light touch shutter to active shutter selection through top dial to select shutter speed. No big deal but just not as convenient. 

[ZHNL]

It's not the 1s time I read the S006/S2 shows better/more pleasing colors than the S007.

I was using an S2 and am now using an S007. 

During a few days I had both systems and could compare them.

Couldn't find any relevant color/renderin differences between them (made a Gretagmacbeath profile for the S2 and another for the S007 in Ligthroom).

Some colors obviously have hue/density differences but I can't name the overall rendering of one more or less pleasing than the other.

However I did correct my S007 lightroom profile/color settings the way I liked (if I found the the greens of the S006 more pleasing I adjusted the ones of the S007 to look like them, if the blues from the S007 were better to my taste then I kept them untouched).

For me there is color differences between both sensors but no magical rendering difference that couldn't be recreated in Lightroom.

I 'm also using a Leica M9 and am used to the CCD pop effect of limited dynamic range sensors. But who can do more can do less and it is easy to give the S007 files a pop that is more S006 like (and save it as a user profile to be used to taste).

 

I admit that my comparison of both bodies was somehow basic so if you could elaborate on your perception of the S006 pop and on which profile settings it is based it could be helpful for better understanding what you really mean.

I know this potentially will rise question. Let's put it this way, if you didn't notice difference, that is really good and that is all that matters. then S007 is a no brainer. 

 

I have used lots of cameras and they all have different color between brand system or  even cameras within brand. Profile will/can not solve the problems. It is hardware difference/problem. 

 

For landscape, I still prefer S006 color however I don't feel it worth the loss of DR and low light capability and I don't have real complain for any system unless some have noticeable muddy color  such as canon 6D. S007 can be push pull a lot harder than S006 which is important especially for landscape under high DR cases. 

 

For portrait, given enough light hit on face, S006's hue resolution and tonality is in another level "IMHO". It is the best of any cameras I have used. (I never used HAssy or Phase but used most top 135mm system)  

 

Color is perceptive and a quit complicate topic. People don't have the same preference and don't have the same capability to distinguish hue difference. So, we can't reach a universal solution here. So, I will just say IN MY OPINION, S006 color is prefered but only in certain cases. 

[Deliberate1]

Glad to see you finally get it worked. I assume you know you have to be in MF mode. The adjustment I listed is under MF mode

 

S007 is one of simplest camera. Obviously, Nikon will not work for you, and Sony will be totally OUT. That is really a compliment, I feel Leica got it right. It is designed for photographer than geek. 

 

Talk about simple of use, I prefer S006 even more with dedicate shutter speed control. For S006, I can quickly change shutter speed entering manual mode which I used all the time, For 007, if you were not in manual mode, you have to long push wheel to active Mode selection, enter Manual mode, then select shutter speed. Even in case you were in M mode, you still have to active meter by light touch shutter to active shutter selection through top dial to select shutter speed. No big deal but just not as convenient. 

Ya, missed the MF mode part. Agreed on the need for simplicity. Though nothing is as simple as my IIIc - except for loading the film. 

It is going to take a bit of retraining. My hand feels the 006 in it, as does my eye. But my brain has to overcome that cognitive dissonance when I need to do something that I can do reflexively with the 006. The dedicated shutter wheel on the 006 is something I will miss. 

I assume there no way to activate the focus magnification when not in LV, as I an do with the Q. I am guessing no with the optical viewfinder and yes with the LV. That being the case, I am getting the sense that the LV is best for tripod work with static subjects? When do y'all tend to use it, if at all.

David

[Deliberate1]

 So, I will just say IN MY OPINION, S006 color is prefered but only in certain cases. 

 

I am with you on the elegance of 006 color right out of the camera. Feel the same way with my M9 -  the perfect camera for perfect conditions - for me soft, diffuse light that stays in a relatively tight "zone." My Q has a more "clinical" presentation, which actually works well for the the night work which I typically limit it to - my little "vampire" camera. I do see a color difference just with the few shots I have taken with the 007. Lacks the warmth that I see from the 006 out of the camera -  much more like the Q. But I work up all my show pieces in LR and PS. I am assuming that I can get an 007 file to look like one from its predecessor, if that is what the image calls for. I am mostly looking forward to seeing how much deeper into the darkness the 007 can reach, what with the Maestro processor, CMOS sensor and dampened shutter. That is why I bought this camera. Just tired of missing too many shots in darkened conditions with the 006/M9. If the 007 pushes that envelope "enough" then it will have been worth the price of admission.

David

[John McMaster]

I am happier with my 007 at higher ISOs than I am with my M(240), latter shows banding too easily...

 

john

[Deliberate1]

I am happier with my 007 at higher ISOs than I am with my M(240), latter shows banding too easily...

 

john

John, with the 007, are you exposing for the highlights (short of clipping) and letting the shadows fall where they may, knowing that the added dynamic rage (15.3 reportedly) would hopefully give you enough data to pull out some clean detail? With my 006, that is what I did, often with little hope that there was much to be gleaned for the dark end.

Cheers.

David

[John McMaster]

Usually as you say, there is some highlight recovery but nothing like as much as there is with shadow recovery.  Often it fits in with standard dynamic range, all these shots were taken at 12,500 ISO http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2017/42

 

john

[erlingmm]

 

Talk about simple of use, I prefer S006 even more with dedicate shutter speed control. For S006, I can quickly change shutter speed entering manual mode which I used all the time, For 007, if you were not in manual mode, you have to long push wheel to active Mode selection, enter Manual mode, then select shutter speed. Even in case you were in M mode, you still have to active meter by light touch shutter to active shutter selection through top dial to select shutter speed. No big deal but just not as convenient. 

 

 

Agree - I miss the "006 Mode" where the shutter wheel is simply a shutter wheel, while you have previews. I very often shoot several images of the same scene varying shutter to nail exposure (f-stop is more stable for me). I cannot do this in the S007, except maybe if I have no previews (?) I have to half press shutter, which often leads to a full press, starting all over again. Annoying.

Edited September 17, 2018 by erlingmm

[albireo_double]

Agree - I miss the "006 Mode" where the shutter wheel is simply a shutter wheel, while you have previews. I very often shoot several images of the same scene varying shutter to nail exposure (f-stop is more stable for me). I cannot do this in the S007, except maybe if I have no previews (?) I have to half press shutter, which often leads to a full press, starting all over again. Annoying.

 

 

Yes, exactly. Was shooting outdoors for six hours yesterday with S007, on a tree-shaded river bank with varying light conditions. In manual mode most of the time and kept adjusting exposure by changing shutter speed. Of course, camera was in replay/preview mode half the time, so had to keep half-pressing the shutter button to get it back to shooting mode, before changing shutter speed. All while my model was waiting and not sure why I was not shooting when she was holding a pose. Can't understand why so many people consider the S007 a "masterpiece of ergonomics". Yes, it is "elegant" but a bit "form over function", in my opinion. I'd love a firmware update allowing to disable the preview functionality of the top wheel. Just keep it a shutter speed control in all modes.

[erlingmm]

This is a quote about the newly released firmware update for the SL - not sure I understand this, but is this the function we are missing on the S?

"Furthermore, an additional option ‘Shutter Pressed’ has been added to Auto Review settings, and the option ‘Off’ no longer enables the camera to show Auto Review while the shutter release is pressed. These revised settings allow photographers to focus on the action in fast action moments where there may not be time to review each picture."

 

The article on Leicarumors says:"Additional quality-of-life improvements include center markings for Live View Autofocus, customization for the Top Dial..."

I cannot find this in the menu.

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by erlingmm

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[BernardC]

This is a quote about the newly released firmware update for the SL - not sure I understand this, but is this the function we are missing on the S?

"Furthermore, an additional option ‘Shutter Pressed’ has been added to Auto Review settings, and the option ‘Off’ no longer enables the camera to show Auto Review while the shutter release is pressed.

The most recent firmware for the SL (prior to today's release) would show you the shot you just took as long as you kept your finger half-pressed on the shutter release. That is great if you want to check for closed eyes and such, but not everybody wants it. It sounds like the feature can be turned off.