Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 13, 2007 Share #1 Posted July 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know this has never been asked before and was thinking about my Canon days reading the 5D thread. I have noticed since even leaving the DMR that i am shooting more wide open or very close to it. It's rare I go to F8 anymore. Now are others sensing this same thing from other systems that the M8 we are leaning more towards the wide side. Now some will say you went from FF to a crop . Okay that i somewhat understand but i came from 2 years with the same crop factor of the DMR and i have been shooting more wide open. Stuff i shot at F8 seems to have moved up wider and we have more DR in the M8 so we can even shoot at the higher ISO's to gain smaller F stops but i don't think we are doing that. Reading the board as we do it seems like a lot of folks are more interested or are shooting more wide open. Thoughts on this, Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wparsonsgisnet Posted July 13, 2007 Share #2 Posted July 13, 2007 Guy, Greetings and welcome home. Hope the heat in your area isn't making you homesick to Germany. For me one of the reasons is the remarkable shadow detail in the M8 images. This allows me to shoot at a lower iso, so I need the f1.4 (cry your hearts out, 'cron users). I used to be forced to use high-iso films to get this much shadow detail. There is enormous saturation and color detail from this camera. I have never used an slr, only M's, so the change that I have noticed is 1. detail in the image from the sensor, 2. ability to handhold at very low speeds, like 1/10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted July 13, 2007 Share #3 Posted July 13, 2007 love of bokeh? need to open up more for equivalent shallow DOF compared to full frame? because you can? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Lad Posted July 13, 2007 Share #4 Posted July 13, 2007 I would shoot more wide open if I could get a M8 that focused properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 13, 2007 Share #5 Posted July 13, 2007 Maybe we're all just getting old. Bigger apertures mean faster shutter speeds and less blur from shakey hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraldL Posted July 13, 2007 Share #6 Posted July 13, 2007 love of bokeh? need to open up more for equivalent shallow DOF compared to full frame? because you can? Yes, that's the bad thing of the M8, one of the good things is the use of faster shutter speeds (> 1/1000) that allow opening up. And isn't leicaglass famous for it's performance at wide apertures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HetDraakje Posted July 13, 2007 Share #7 Posted July 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) For me having gone through the transition from 5D to M6 (as a try out for a M8), I shoot more at F8 and higher, simply because I like the T-Max400 and pushed to 800 ASA. Therefore 1/1000 sec is often not fast enough and has to be compensated to smaller apertures. With a variable ASA you can simply get the optimal ASA/Time/Aperture combo. I cannot wait till I have a M8... Boen, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarker13 Posted July 13, 2007 Share #8 Posted July 13, 2007 Can't say I'm shooting any more wide open than before. But then, as someone who doesn't even own a flash, I tend to find myself needing as much light as I can get. Now I'm just able to go into even more challenging situations and come away with images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 13, 2007 Share #9 Posted July 13, 2007 And isn't leicaglass famous for it's performance at wide apertures? Yes, that's why I first started buying Leica 25 years ago--for high image quality at low light levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2007 Share #10 Posted July 13, 2007 I'm still shooting the same apertures as before I got the M8... because my lenses won't open any wider than maximum aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 13, 2007 Share #11 Posted July 13, 2007 I'd say I was the same as with my M6. It depends on the subject. Some things work best open, others don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 13, 2007 Share #12 Posted July 13, 2007 I agree: me too am using lenses meanly more open than with M4 : what's the reason ? - Shorter lenses - more DOF : open more to compensate - Shutter noise - impression of more shaky camera (impression only ?) : faster times nothing mysterious, in my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted July 13, 2007 Share #13 Posted July 13, 2007 Interesting thread timing. I don't find myself shooting wide open more than I ever have but as I write I'm processing recent RAW files that were all made at about F/1.4 and writing a section on OOF rendering (bokeh). Here's one: Cheers, Sean Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/28861-m8-shooters-more-wide-open-than-pre-m8/?do=findComment&comment=305039'>More sharing options...
atanabe Posted July 13, 2007 Share #14 Posted July 13, 2007 I am the opposite, I shoot an SLR wide because I see the exact point of focus. With a rangefinder and wide angle lenses, an approximate focus and f8 is my preference. I find it challenging to get the focus perfect with lenses longer than 50 mm, magnifiers help with this (ouch on the cost). I used to have an 0.85 M6 just for the longer lenses and while it was better, I could focus a SLR (R4s,5,7,8) faster and with more certainty than the M. The M to me personally is for wides, which I like to shoot a lot, the 35 now 28 is my favorite focal length. -Al Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted July 13, 2007 Share #15 Posted July 13, 2007 Ah Guy! Love your threads - always gets the brain cells working! I - sort off - agree with you. I am shooting wider open than DSLR and you've made me explore why. I think it's a combination of a few things: I'm keen to explore the possibilties of these marvelous lenses (2 so far and counting). Within the possibilties, I want to match or better shutter speed to focal length (new to RF so being careful). Love the low light capabilities and, when the light drops, I want to explore further. Love the bokeh (although I do overdo it! - I'm hoping to moderate with experience). Above all - this is the first 'M' that you can chimp - so, for me - an amateur, go wide first, check the focus and stop down as necessary (I appreciate that, as a pro, that probably didn't figure in your thinking!) Merely a view from a punter! Fin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted July 13, 2007 Share #16 Posted July 13, 2007 Another wide open or close to it: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/28861-m8-shooters-more-wide-open-than-pre-m8/?do=findComment&comment=305074'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 13, 2007 Share #17 Posted July 13, 2007 Nice Sean . I think for me i simply trust the leica glass more when it is wide open or close to it. i know for a number of years that there really is no better glass wide open in general than Leica's and Zeiss. There are a few Canons and Nikon but not like leica's every lens is good wide open and i learned that through a lot of testing. The M8 though for some strange reason i could almost count the times i have shot at F8 and it is not much and i always shot there in the past. i will stop down when i am really close to something and need the DOF but in general i just feel like I am shooting more wide open. Something to think about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted July 13, 2007 Share #18 Posted July 13, 2007 I think that for me it's a combination of factors. The difference in crop factor probably does push me to use shorter focal lengths, so that in order to mimic the look, say, of a 35mm lens on FF with a 28, I will open up a couple of stops. But most of all, I have been aware of the ability to change ISO on the fly. Whereas when shooting 35mm format with film I generally had XP2 [great latitude] or HP5 loaded [great pushability] I now can reduce ISO to get a "finer grained" result, and dial up the speed when I want "grittier" textures or the light is abysmal--all by using fast lenses. I recall when [younger and sturdier than now] I carried 2 Pentax 6x7's loaded with HP5, a 75mm and a 165mm for street shooting--fine grain, but not very discreet for shooting [one or two frames, and that was it]. Now I can get a comparable "look" with low ISO, and fast lenses on digital. [Not to mention saving on acupuncture]. Sean--Nice shot. Norman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted July 13, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 13, 2007 Nice Sean . I think for me i simply trust the leica glass more when it is wide open or close to it. i know for a number of years that there really is no better glass wide open in general than Leica's and Zeiss. There are a few Canons and Nikon but not like leica's every lens is good wide open and i learned that through a lot of testing. The M8 though for some strange reason i could almost count the times i have shot at F8 and it is not much and i always shot there in the past. i will stop down when i am really close to something and need the DOF but in general i just feel like I am shooting more wide open. Something to think about Hi Guy, Thanks. For resolution, the 35 Nokton easily matches the 35 Lux Aspherical on center at F/1.4. The Leica does better in the outer zones at that aperture. As one stops down, the two start to part ways at about F/2.8 where the Nokton corner/outer zone resolution improves and the Lux starts to soften just a bit from focus shift. My own experience, then, is that I trust good examples of all three brands wide open. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted July 13, 2007 Share #20 Posted July 13, 2007 Sean--Nice shot. Norman Thanks. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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