shutter, CCD/replacement

[crow]

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Hi,

when the old ccd is replaced with a new one,

does this mean the shutter is replaced?

For example, an M9 has a capability of firing 100.000 or 150.000 times.

When the sensor is replaced, what happens if the shutter is getting close to its working limit?

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[Ko.Fe.]

Camera manufacturers don't change shutters as timing belts. Here is only estimated shutter "mileage", but no shutter change in the maintenance manual. 

[crow]

OK, thanks for your reply Ko. Fe.

Well, let me guess, they don't give a limit perhaps because they don't want give a wrong number incase something happens to it before it reaches the stated number. Another reason would be competition between different models. If a particular number of M Leica is manifactured with higher standards, at a given time, then stating the aproximate limit of shutter counts, and if that number is really high, this will automatically increase standards for the following M, and that may not not be the most important factor for producing the next model. The other would be that mechanical bodies are told to have a higher life expectancy than digital ones, allthough the M8 I just parted, felt to my inexperienced mechanically wise eyes like a work horse.

M9 is my target, and I wanted to know what to expect as far as shutter life, especially if I am talking "used" with perhaps a new ccd. It is alogical question. If the ccd was replaced because it reached too many shots, will the shutter limit be closer than the one of the ccd?

[TomB_tx]

I can't see how number of shots would affect the CCD issues, which have been related to environment, materials choices, and age. Shutter failure is caused by mechanical wear and lubrication, and is related to amount of use. There are reports of widely varying shutter life, but typical seems to be high enough I wouldn't worry.

[crow]

Thanks TomB_tx

[chris_livsey]

https://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/leica_m9.htm

[jaapv]

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Hi,

when the old ccd is replaced with a new one,

does this mean the shutter is replaced?

For example, an M9 has a capability of firing 100.000 or 150.000 times.

When the sensor is replaced, what happens if the shutter is getting close to its working limit?

No, it will not be replaced routinely. One can expect the shutter to be rated (unofficially) for at least 150.000 actuations, but that is an estimate, not a hard limit.  Shutters with more that double that number have been reported. I suppose, if it is well-worn, that one can  request to replace it The price of the part is under 200 Euro, AFAIK.

 

It comes from the same source as many other brands (like Nikon, for instance) i.e. Copal-Seiko.

[Guest jvansmit]

Hi,

when the old ccd is replaced with a new one,

does this mean the shutter is replaced?

For example, an M9 has a capability of firing 100.000 or 150.000 times.

When the sensor is replaced, what happens if the shutter is getting close to its working limit?

 

My shutter was found to have a fault (at high shutter speeds) when it was being checked immediately after it's sensor replacement. The CCD replacement is free but I'm being charged for the shutter replacement.