andybarton Posted March 24, 2018 Share #21 Posted March 24, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Shame on CITES in that case. And shame on Thorsten. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gobert Posted March 24, 2018 Share #22 Posted March 24, 2018 I assume it has to do with April 1. I really cannot imagine that Thorsten would sell elephant leather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted March 24, 2018 Share #23 Posted March 24, 2018 It’s lizard leather he wouldn’t sell. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 24, 2018 Share #24 Posted March 24, 2018 Shame on CITES in that case. And shame on Thorsten. Yes, that is the sad outcome of the political fight in the last CITES conference. If you have a look at the customs sites of civilized countries however, USA, EU, Australia, etc., you'll see that full penalties still apply. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share #25 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) $ 6000 for the el-cheapo one to over $ 40.000 for a large croc one? For a bag - seriously? Beyond ridiculous, since you are asking. If I had that kind of money to waste, there are plenty of charities that need it. I am in 100% agreement - Thorsten must be either stoned or deranged. Either way, he is simply out of touch with all but the rich and fabulous. As for using elephant hide and crocodile skin, such a practice is beyond disgusting. There are other methods for the idle rich to engage in financial dick measuring that do not require the slaughter of elephants and crocodiles. Or is it the pointless spilling of the blood of defenseless animals that makes these bags more desirable to the elite upper crust who fancy themselves Conquistadors of all that walks and breathes? With this abomination, Thorsten has gone a long way toward alienating me and hopefully millions of other M camera enthusiasts. Edited March 24, 2018 by Herr Barnack 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted March 24, 2018 Share #26 Posted March 24, 2018 And to think I was looking forward to meeting him at the Leica Society AGM next month. No longer, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted March 24, 2018 Share #27 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually, this would make me very much look forward to meeting him... I'm not so sure he would relish the prospect though! Edited March 24, 2018 by ianman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 24, 2018 Share #28 Posted March 24, 2018 As for using elephant hide and crocodile skin, such a practice is beyond disgusting. When I first scanned the linked article I didn't clock that the skins used were alligator, crocodile and elephant. I'm appalled. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted March 24, 2018 Share #29 Posted March 24, 2018 In that case there's still time to join the Leica Society! Sorry for the plug ;-). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted March 24, 2018 Share #30 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) IMO, this person must be expelled permanently at least from LUF (if he is registered here) and statement should be issued. Edited March 24, 2018 by Ko.Fe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 24, 2018 Share #31 Posted March 24, 2018 When I first scanned the linked article I didn't clock that the skins used were alligator, crocodile and elephant. I'm appalled. I’m assuming the alligator/crocodile are from farmed animals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 24, 2018 Share #32 Posted March 24, 2018 IMO, this person must be expelled permanently at least from LUF (if he is registered here) and statement should be issued. What law has he broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 24, 2018 Share #33 Posted March 24, 2018 What law has he broken? Probably none, unfortunately. I hope that the horrific reaction of all of us who have responded so far can persuade Thorsten to think again about his materials choice. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 24, 2018 Share #34 Posted March 24, 2018 I’m assuming the alligator/crocodile are from farmed animals. What law has he broken? As far as I'm concerned whether they are farmed or otherwise is irrelevant. And FWIW they farm turtles in the Cayman Islands (or certainly did) and you used to be able to, and perhaps still can buy black coral there, although you can't import products of either into many countries. The point is that allowing trade in any products from animals which are under threat makes illegitimately derived products more difficult to distinguish and it masks the real threat to such animals which is habitat loss. In any case, must we have a law to tell us whether we should be appalled or otherwise - I think not. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 24, 2018 Share #35 Posted March 24, 2018 As far as I'm concerned whether they are farmed or otherwise is irrelevant. And FWIW they farm turtles in the Cayman Islands (or certainly did) and you used to be able to, and perhaps still can buy black coral there, although you can't import products of either into many countries. The point is that allowing trade in any products from animals which are under threat makes illegitimately derived products more difficult to distinguish and it masks the real threat to such animals which is habitat loss. In any case, must we have a law to tell us whether we should be appalled or otherwise - I think not. The point I was making was that if the animals are farmed there’s zero effect on the wild population. If they weren’t farmed they wouldn’t exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 24, 2018 Share #36 Posted March 24, 2018 The point I was making was that if the animals are farmed there’s zero effect on the wild population. If they weren’t farmed they wouldn’t exist. But my point is that this is not true because their still can be an effect on wild populations if wild sourced products are infiltrated into the apparently legitimate supply of products, and it is a smoke screen in that it helps avoid more complex issue such as habitat loss, genetic heterogeneity, and more. Bans work, fudges don't. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted March 24, 2018 Share #37 Posted March 24, 2018 The point I was making was that if the animals are farmed there’s zero effect on the wild population. If they weren’t farmed they wouldn’t exist. Alligators, Ostrich are farmed. Just like cows and fish. Recent elephant skin demand ignited new wave of poaching. Elephants are not farmed for consuption. They are in sanctuaries and in the wild. You can't farm elephants, they need massive land space. Zoo are stopping to keep them for this reason. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/the-long-goodbye-of-the-toronto-zoo-elephants-1.1894496 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 24, 2018 Share #38 Posted March 24, 2018 Iappreciate Thorsten ‘s photography and his often enjoy his writing. I do not like his bags, not at all. More photos, less baggage please. I made this flippant comment before I knew about the elephant skin bag. I'd like to add my voice to those who have expressed their horror and concern over this. I sincerely hope there's an adequate explanation, though I can't think what it might be, or at least a re-think on Thorsten's part. Thorsten, comment please. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 24, 2018 Share #39 Posted March 24, 2018 His video says that exotic camera straps are coming next. Disgusting. Jeff 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalokeri Posted March 24, 2018 Share #40 Posted March 24, 2018 Just another reason to ignore this person. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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