AlanG Posted July 5, 2007 Share #41 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...geez, i can't believe this outpouring of emotion started by suggesting a simple little beep for overexposed pictures. you guys have way too much time on your hands. True but since there is so much emotion on each side, perhaps the solution is to have a method where you can use a computer to program the camera to be more minimalistic or more technologically advanced - e.g. tailored to how you want it. Perhaps also add a few user progamable buttons or knobs and that will do it. At least for some. (You can never please everyone.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ptomsu Posted July 5, 2007 Share #42 Posted July 5, 2007 Peter. Doctor. I have the ability to apply a bandaid when needed but I do not consider myself an expert in medicine. I thank you for trying to enter the expertise of my world but I doubt your qualifications. Any 'high level of confidence' I may have has been hard won over 30+ years of continued study, passion, and commitment to what I consider to be the greatest visual medium for personal expression. The M8 was designed and priced to operate as a professional instrument and I judge it's success and failures in that context. To those of us who aspire to get the best out of the M8, your assertion that 'for professional photography I would not trust it' sounds presumptuous, hollow, and unauthoritive. Everyone it seems is an expert on photography, regardless of their expertise or knowledge. Maybe expert photographers should turn the tables and declare themselves experts in, say; medicine?. No, on second thoughts that's a crap idea. That would be terribly arrogant. ........................Chris [Degrees withheld] Chris, I do not have an idea why you are talking about medicin! My Doctor, if you start mentioning this in the discussions here is in electronics and information technology - although this is sometimes as strange as medicine can be. If you talk about expertise - well I started photography when I was 12 and I am now 54, so I have 42 years of expertise and have worked for some time of my life even as professional photographer. I have been through all the different incarnations of technology in the past 42 years, RF, SLR, AF, MF, DSLR and now M8 besides Nikon D2x, R9/DMR and H3. So I belief that I have enough experience to judge a system as really professional, which has nothing to do with price, passion, outstanding construction or what so ever, but with reliable function all over the place. Even if you are professional photographer, which you actually did not answer so far, then you have taken some kind of high risk to choose the M8 for your everyday job. Maybe these jobs are forgiving enough that you can afford to have time zones where your equipment does not work, but I have always had the desire to work inthese honest situations with a system which lets you concentrate 100% on the job and allows 0% concentration on the system - I call Nikon (D2X) and Hasselblad (H3) such systems, but neither R9/DMR nor M8. Again, I love these Leicas, but they let me down so often and somehow predictable, that I do not trust them enough for professional photography. Has nothing to do with the superb quality you get out of them when they work, but the big questionmark is WHEN? So I would suggest - Chris - to think and read more carefully before you answer like before. I consider your answer as a lack of experience in human networking and relationships with your minor experience of just 30+ years and hope you can get finally to the level required to really participate in these discussions without insulting your peers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted July 5, 2007 Share #43 Posted July 5, 2007 Back to the question about the audible histogram. The DMR has this feature. I have only used it once to see what it did. I suspect most DMR users are the same way and Leica decided it was not a feature needed on the M8. Same for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimowers Posted July 5, 2007 Share #44 Posted July 5, 2007 Jim - Well bully for you and bully for amateurs; clearly this thread cannot be of much interest to you. There is however a different opinion to yours and is contained in the original post by Dante. There are those of us who are critical of certain design aspects of the M8, we are purchasers too and I think that entitles thoughtful criticism of a product which some of us believe is not working at it's optimum. We have all benefited from operating improvements to the M8 since it's launch, and I believe this forum has played an important role in bringing the improvements about. Criticism can be healthy, and the criticism in the original post is constructive. Notwithstanding your snottiness to those of us who are not amateurs; I reserve the right to enjoy what the [i.e. my] M8 does well, and criticise where I think it fails. It's what thinking customers do, or do you think improvements will come about because of happy silence? ..................Chris There is a difference between constructive suggestions on how to improve a product and things such as this beep idea which will change it into something which it was never intended to be. The M8 is a camera which is, as others have said, reduces photography to the essentials thankfully - let's keep it that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2007 Share #45 Posted July 5, 2007 Peter. Doctor. I have the ability to apply a bandaid when needed but I do not consider myself an expert in medicine. ........................Chris [Degrees withheld] Chris, if you google Peter he is hardly a medical doctor, I think his line is more technical than that. Also, you may be unaware of the huge gap between Anglo-Saxon and German/Austrian social culture. Whereas using a degree is virtually bad form in the English speaking countries (consultants even call themselves mr....) Austria is on the other side of that spectrum. It is highly unusual not to use a degree or title in daily communications. Why, if you ever visit Vienna, the bellboy in your hotel might even promote you to "Herr Baron":p Never the twain will meet.... Speaking as a Dutchman, sitting on the cultural divide;) Coming back to this amateur/professional thing, I think we should leave such divisions behind us. There are many professionals on this forum that are highly respected for their insight, a large number of amateurs as well, with vastly diverse levels of knowledge and experience in both groups.We all know that there are plenty of amateurs and even some professionals too that would do better to replace the camera in their hands with something more mundane like a spade. The great thing about these Internet forums is that everybody is disembodied and stripped of his background, and can be judged on his posts alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted July 5, 2007 Share #46 Posted July 5, 2007 Chris, if you google Peter he is hardly a medical doctor, I think his line is more technical than that. Also, you may be unaware of the huge gap between Anglo-Saxon and German/Austrian social culture. Whereas using a degree is virtually bad form in the English speaking countries (consultants even call themselves mr....) Austria is on the other side of that spectrum. It is highly unusual not to use a degree or title in daily communications. Why, if you ever visit Vienna, the bellboy in your hotel might even promote you to "Herr Baron":p Never the twain will meet.... Speaking as a Dutchman, sitting on the cultural divide;) Coming back to this amateur/professional thing, I think we should leave such divisions behind us. There are many professionals on this forum that are highly respected for their insight, a large number of amateurs as well, with vastly diverse levels of knowledge and experience in both groups.We all know that there are plenty of amateurs and even some professionals too that would do better to replace the camera in their hands with something more mundane like a spade. The great thing about these Internet forums is that everybody is disembodied and stripped of his background, and can be judged on his posts alone. Great answer Jaap ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 5, 2007 Share #47 Posted July 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Doc! I got me this robot thingie, works ok , but doesn't know how to relax, can you help... ps its a 39.2.3.1 - Seiko RT 3000 Manipulator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted July 5, 2007 Share #48 Posted July 5, 2007 Peter - On reflection, in the cold light of day; I offer you my unreserved apology. An excess of thread passion mixed with far too much wine fuelled my incivility. Sorry. ............Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted July 5, 2007 Share #49 Posted July 5, 2007 I think I'd rather Leica improve the AWB and jpeg compression before installing more beepers. Maybe lens menus and a redesined setting system using the l/r arrows and scrollwheel. I am constantly amazed by shots I chimped as being under or over becoming totally usable once they hit the raw converter. Shooting on location this past weekend with both Nikon D200 and M8. The M8 just blew away the Leica, though I needed the slightly wider lens capability of the Nikon. Waiting patiently for that Zeiss 18mm to hit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted July 5, 2007 Share #50 Posted July 5, 2007 Peter - On reflection, in the cold light of day; I offer you my unreserved apology. An excess of thread passion mixed with far too much wine fuelled my incivility. Sorry. ............Chris Chris, of course and thanks for your answer! I fully understand as these things should not happen but also happened to me as well. Appreciate!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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