mmradman Posted June 15, 2018 Share #101  Posted June 15, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is the crop. Not brilliant as I expected from micro camera shake but not too bad considering the subject is around 2km away.  Wilson Do you have any pictures of topless occupants  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted June 15, 2018 Share #102  Posted June 15, 2018 Do you have any pictures of topless occupants   The occupant of that house is about 85 years old, so not a pleasant thought 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted June 15, 2018 Share #103  Posted June 15, 2018 Here is the crop. Not brilliant as I expected from micro camera shake but not too bad considering the subject is around 2km away.  Wilson I will be frank. The crop is not impressive and most probably it is not the lens but atmospheric conditions. I think after FF 400mm equivalence (best case), there is diminishing returns in getting more details for far objects. Techniques and conditions matter way more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 15, 2018 Share #104  Posted June 15, 2018 I will be frank. The crop is not impressive and most probably it is not the lens but atmospheric conditions. I think after FF 400mm equivalence (best case), there is diminishing returns in getting more details for far objects. Techniques and conditions matter way more.  I agree could well be atmospheric. In normal use, I never go beyond the 200 of my 80-200 Vario-Elmar R and sold my 90-280SL, as I just never used it. Other than paparazzi taking sneaky photos of celebs, I can think of very few uses for my 1200 mm lens.  Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted June 15, 2018 Share #105  Posted June 15, 2018 I agree could well be atmospheric. In normal use, I never go beyond the 200 of my 80-200 Vario-Elmar R and sold my 90-280SL, as I just never used it. Other than paparazzi taking sneaky photos of celebs, I can think of very few uses for my 1200 mm lens.  Wilson Agree. I also limit myself mostly to 200mm. However I have some use of longer lens to shoot Moon and Sun (with filter). During last solar eclipse, I got nice pic using 400mm Telyt with X2 APO extender on Sony APS-C. See below: https://flic.kr/p/XM9qCH Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 16, 2018 Share #106  Posted June 16, 2018 CL with 280mm f/2.8 APO-Telyt-R + APO-Extender-R 2X + APO-Extender-R 1.4X . . . ~1200mm AOV (1188mm)  At some point I knew I would try this . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3538296'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 16, 2018 Share #107  Posted June 16, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) You'd forgive my out-the-window sloth if you knew how hot and humid it is here and for how long it's been that way . . .  Hotel rooftop roughly one mile away, entire frame . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3538297'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 16, 2018 Share #108  Posted June 16, 2018 And a 100% crop from near the center . . . through urban air pollution and a bit of heat shimmer, and with the sun at an obtuse angle . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3538300'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 16, 2018 Share #109  Posted June 16, 2018 From about 80 meters . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3538303'>More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 16, 2018 Share #110  Posted June 16, 2018 And a 100% crop from the clock's face . . .  Both shots were made using a monopod, which means it's not likely I'll use this combination in the field. The lens needs to be stopped to f/4 when used with teleconverters. However, I do see possibly using the lens + 2X TC at f/8 for (~850mm AOV) handheld in good light.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3538308'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 19, 2018 Share #111  Posted June 19, 2018 Might be of interest to anyone needing a budget price but quality 400mm / 800mm lens which utilises Leitz lens elements  https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/275370-vintage-lenses-on-the-sl/?p=3538420  dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2018 Share #112  Posted June 19, 2018 Might be of interest to anyone needing a budget price but quality 400mm / 800mm lens which utilises Leitz lens elements  https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/275370-vintage-lenses-on-the-sl/?p=3538420  dunk  Dunk,  Not for me. I just sold all my Telvit - Telyt 400/560 kit to Peter Loy and in reality glad to see the back of it. I bought it about 10 years ago and have used it probably twice in 10 years.   Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 19, 2018 Share #113  Posted June 19, 2018 Wilson, I also have the 2 element 400/560 Telyts but the 3 element Noflexar T (lens elements also by Leitz) is a better lens  http://www.wildlightphoto.com/400t56.html   http://forum.mflenses.com/400mm-f-5-6-t-noflexar-t54585.html  dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2018 Share #114  Posted June 19, 2018 Dunk,  My modular 300/600/1200 Tele-Tessar (a 1990's lens) might be better than both the Leica and Novoflex and being a true telephoto rather than long lens, it is about 1/3rd the length. 1200mm is not great but then what would I ever need that for, now that Beckham and his missus have not bought the neighbouring chateau (Chateau de Taurenne)  Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 19, 2018 Share #115  Posted June 19, 2018 Wilson, your modular Tel-Tessar would be better … but does it have a built-in bellows fir close-focus? My latest 3 element Noflexar 'T' was purchased for just £100 … a cost effective 'stop gap' lens until Leica Camera AG decide to release an SL 560mm telephoto with matching extenders.  dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2018 Share #116  Posted June 19, 2018 Wilson, your modular Tel-Tessar would be better … but does it have a built-in bellows fir close-focus? My latest 3 element Noflexar 'T' was purchased for just £100 … a cost effective 'stop gap' lens until Leica Camera AG decide to release an SL 560mm telephoto with matching extenders.  dunk  It has a bellows for close focus. Probably the best made bellows I have ever seen with rise and fall on the front section and on Contax cameras, it is automatic diaphragm as well. A lovely bit of kit.  Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 19, 2018 Share #117  Posted June 19, 2018 Ideal for photographing dragonflies and butterflies … especially if you have a garden pond with suitable dragonfly perches.  dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 21, 2018 Share #118  Posted June 21, 2018 CL with 280mm f/2.8 APO-Telyt-R, f/4 . . .  Further observations after a week and a half of using this lens on both the CL and M240: what I initially thought was loss of contrast on the CL, possibly from sensor reflection, appears to be due to the ability of the lens to "see" air pollution almost as well as its f/4 APO cousin--although it does not render any greenish tones.  Another issue I encountered, slightly dim EVF, occurred only when I used the camera in shutter-priority mode (M-mode, auto ISO, specified shutter speed). In aperture-priority mode, the EVF works well; although an eyepiece wing might make it even easier to use in bright sunlight.  This iteration of the lens has a few tweaks over the first iteration, a copy of which I previously owned. There's a drop-in filter slot; the mount takes ten screws instead of six; and it weighs a bit more. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the optics were tweaked as well, as the OOF background areas are noticeably more pleasing on this iteration than with the previous one. Corner sharpness wide open appears to have been improved as well.  The forum pages here have many testimonials to the 280mm f/4 APO's supposed superiority over this lens. While I don't dispute the experiences of others, I find this faster, heavier bazooka to be far more to my liking than its f/4 cousin.  Now if only I can find where the mynas are hiding the other birds . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3541072'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted June 21, 2018 Share #119 Â Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) From what I recall the 280/4 and 280/2.8 are based on the same design and although performance at 2.8 can be a tad soft I don't think it lags behind its f4 brother by much at similar apertures. I've had excellent results with my 280/2.8 on the M240/SL and CL ....... although I'd be reluctant to take it hiking with me ...... Edited June 21, 2018 by thighslapper Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted June 21, 2018 Share #120  Posted June 21, 2018 When I pixel-peep at f/2.8, it appears to be just as sharp as at f/4, but with slightly less contrast detail. On the M240, it has the Mandler-era characteristics I appreciate so much. And with the 1.4X extender attached--and stopped to f/5.6--it's better than some of its more modern counterparts.  As for hiking, well . . . when a camera and lens make such great pictures, they somehow seem much lighter. I carried lens, extender, and CL, plus an alice bag, for 15km today--although I will confess to having had a good nap after the first ten!  CL + 280 APO + 1.4X extender, ISO 800 in very gloomy weather . . .  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/280072-very-long-lenses-on-the-cl-and-tl-please-add-your-experiences/?do=findComment&comment=3541176'>More sharing options...
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