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18 hours ago, FireLight said:

Thambar in IR

Having shot a lot of HIE, I had often wondered how this combination would look.

I like the composition here. Of course to get a enough IR light it should be quite sunny, meaning you need to close down the aperture and thus loose the Thambar effect. I guess you are using the M8 for this? Or is it another brand?

I'm not a bit fan of digital IR and actually prefer the infrared-ish look I can get (see my post #1119 and some of the previous posts) with standard film. I've still got a few rolls of HIE here but I gave my filters away some time ago.

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On 8/17/2021 at 8:53 AM, ianman said:

I like the composition here. Of course to get a enough IR light it should be quite sunny, meaning you need to close down the aperture and thus loose the Thambar effect. I guess you are using the M8 for this? Or is it another brand?

I shot this with an M10 and an 850nm filter. It is not terribly sensitive to IR, but enough to image with on a tripod. I like the Thambar effect, but usually to a more controlled degree. This image was shot around F:5.6, but shooting wide open is no problem at all - even at high ISO, at 90mm, a tripod is likely necessary depending on the filter used and scene. Not all lenses are good for IR, so I was happy to find that the Thambar is excellent in that regard. My 28mm Summicron, by contrast is not and shows a hotspot starting around F:4. 

The look you are getting on Acros is very nice, indeed. I assume you must be using a deep red filter to achieve it. My idea of using the Thambar with digital IR was to get around the look of "digital," which I think is in part because you can actually achieve precise focus. With the softening effect, it adds a little more glow, a little more dream, and a little more analog feel - a combination that I think compliments IR and vice versa. 

I have only spent a little time exploring the set up and am excited by the possibilities. I'll attach some more samples below and return when I have more time to play with it all. 

 

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5 hours ago, FireLight said:

I assume you must be using a deep red filter to achieve it. My idea of using the Thambar with digital IR was to get around the look of "digital,"

No filter used at all. :)  

I like the photo with the horses and the bandstand.

I understand what you mean about the digital look with the Thambar which I really dislike. I now know when and how I can use it on the M9 to make it look less digital and although I do still occasionally use it on the M9, I prefer it on film by a long way. I have never tried it with colour film which I will do soon. I just need to get a C41 developing kit.

I would still like to see the Thambar with IR film. I don’t even know what is available now but certainly nothing that will compare to the magical Kodak HIE. I feel that your images posted above are too clean, if that makes sense. If I may suggest giving it a try when there is less IR light about, paradoxically I think you may get a more pleasant effect. Of course that is just my opinion and I have a certain “look” in my mind which is heavily influenced by the HIE. 

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MP, Thambar LTM with orange filter, Ilford PAN400

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The Thambar in its natural habitat - showgirl portrait.
SL2-S + Thambar at ~f/3.4, ISO 640. Natural (evening) light.

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vor 34 Minuten schrieb Artin:

I really am not getting the point of this lens. Most if not all the images I see in this thread looks like they could be shot with effects filters and or even created in post image manipulation. 

No way to replicate this in post processing. The Thambar is unique !

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1 hour ago, Artin said:

I just don’t see a pattern?

I’m not sure if that’s a question or a statement. Do you need to see a pattern? Having used the lens a lot now I can say that it is very versatile so there will be very different  “looks” depending on how people use it. Of course like any other lens it’s not for everyone either as viewer or user. As a viewer there are a load of photos in this thread that I don’t like, as a user I love it and find it can give, for me, beautiful results.

There have been a few members asserting that they could easily replicate the Thambar with filters or pp, or a mix of both. I am yet to see any attempt that is anywhere near convincing. One of the reasons is probably, as you and many others, they don’t see the pattern…. there is no pattern.

Like anything else, you don’t need to like or understand every lens. I love Italian baroque music but can’t stand the classical romantic period. I like apples but hate prunes. There is no reason or if there is, it’s pointless wasting time searching for it. We all have different tastes and if you don’t like something just move on and don’t worry about it.

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Well I think you know what it’s purpose of a lens is. But if you don’t get this particular lens you have two options. Either study the photos in the thread and other places to see what people do with it, or just don’t worry about it. You have obviously done the first option to some extent and seem to have come to a conclusion that it’s not for you. Which is fine. We all have different tastes.

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6 hours ago, Artin said:

You are just taking this too personally my friend

😂😂😂😂😂
I’m not taking anything personally. Why on earth should I? I think you’re reading something in my posts that’s just not there.
Read what I wrote, there is nothing there that made it about you or me, just differing tastes and I understand why some people don’t get it. And I certainly offered no opinion.

I knew I shouldn’t have got into such a futile discussion and usually avoid doing so. I was hoping it may be different this time… oh well!

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8 hours ago, Artin said:

Ianman it is not a statement it is a question..  I would like to understand the purpose of this lens, whats it’s capabilities.  I am not disregarding it’s worth I just genuinely don’t get it 

If you can't see a purpose of the lens then don't use it. This is photography, a visual subject, and unless you need a technical capability, like T/S or macro, then it has no 'purpose'. A lens like this has a 'use', which is determined by the look you get. If you don't see the look, then just use lenses that give you the look you want and don't worry about this one.

Photography is about the eyes, not the written word. Lenses are for using and exploring, not explaining. If you actually want the look (any of them) you are seeing here, and think you can achieve it by means other than spending money on the lens, then simply do so. It's not for us to tell you what look you want and how to get it.

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I’ve seen beautiful examples of how to use this lens. 

But the lens is not about the special effects it creates, it is about controlling such effects.

I am sure I am not the right person to use it as I would search for the effects, resulting in over the top photos.
 

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Did some digital for a change.

M9, Thambar LTM, no filter

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M9, Thambar LTM, no filter

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9 minutes ago, ianman said:

M9, Thambar LTM, no filter

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Like the impression of oil painting texture. Your photos remind me Claude Monet.

Thanks for sharing. I'd find time to play around with it.

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36 minutes ago, Erato said:

Like the impression of oil painting texture. Your photos remind me Claude Monet.

Thanks for sharing. I'd find time to play around with it.

Wow, thank you so much!

Yes, if you have one it's a great time to take it out, in the northern hemisphere anyway!

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