Likaleica Posted January 15, 2018 Share #281 Posted January 15, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) tested well with 180R f4, 280R f2.8, 50M Summilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Belle123 Posted January 17, 2018 Share #282 Posted January 17, 2018 Its true that the EVF is not as good as the one on my SL. I find it is adequate for what I am trying to do which is take photos. I did not buy it to see the world through the EVF, I bought my X1D for its IQ which is fabulous from my standpoint. I found it to be a very easy camera to get to know. It is great as a camera to just walk around with. I will buy the zoom lens when it is available. And no I will not get rid of any of my Leica kit. Totally agree with your assessment and I also will keep all my Leica gear. Think making the decision to buy or not buy the X1d based on comparing to Leica 35mm is a false path. You buy it because you want medium format, period. It would be great if Leica produced a 50mp medium format camera under $10,000, but they don’t and probably won’t. I jumped at the X1d because was in my budget, whereas up until now no other digital medium format was, period. The fact it is small, well built, great design, etc., just was all plus plus plus. I have given thought to getting rid of my Leica gear, maybe just keeping the Q, but decided against it. Still hanging on to my M. For now, two X1d lenses are enough. I will continue with an M along with the X1d. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2018 Share #283 Posted January 17, 2018 You argue that 35mm comparisons are “false”’ then end your post saying you are considering selling your 35mm gear - 2 XCD lenses are enough. With respect, that is exactly why the comparisions are made. I agree they are different, but you can only use one at a time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 17, 2018 Share #284 Posted January 17, 2018 You argue that 35mm comparisons are “false”’ then end your post saying you are considering selling your 35mm gear - 2 XCD lenses are enough. With respect, that is exactly why the comparisions are made. I agree they are different, but you can only use one at a time. You misread. I “thought” about just keeping one 35 camera along with the X1d, and decided not. Was not related to getting the X1d in the first place, choosing one over the other. I have enough 35mm gear, 4 Leica cameras, and could easily drop some of it. Not related to the performance of the X1d, but because I need to trim down. And, wasn’t an ‘argue’, but a statement of fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2018 Share #285 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Sure, but your paradigm, if I understand it correctly, is that a decision to use an X1D is unrelated to a decision to use another 35mm format camera. For multi-format users, that's fine and choosing a camera for the format of its sensor may be completely valid, if somewhat specialised. For many, we use only one camera at once. Sensor format is but one consideration. To say that deciding between two camera systems of different format and usability is "false" is narrowing the choice to one factor. It might work for you to think that way, but other perspectives are equally valid, even though they don't work for you. Think making the decision to buy or not buy the X1d based on comparing to Leica 35mm is a false path. You buy it because you want medium format, period. Not really. You might buy an X1D because it is smaller and lighter than an alternative, because you like Hasselblad and, by the way, it has a fantastic sensor. It's equally valid, though I agree the comparison reduces to a question of usability - one where the X1D is not (yet) resolved as well as the alternatives, in my view. Edited January 17, 2018 by IkarusJohn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 17, 2018 Share #286 Posted January 17, 2018 I’m weighing the pros and cons (for me) of buying into one of three systems: the S, the SL or the X1D. There are many considerations, pro and con, for each. Not necessarily better or worse, but different. Even something like the 4:3 aspect ratio of the X1D compared to Leica’s 3:2 for both of its formats comes into play. And yes, I like to actually shoot and make prints before leaping into an expensive commitment, often through friendly dealer arrangements without need to formally rent. I did that with the Fuji GFX and decided to take it off my initial list. Maybe not somebody else’s path, but it’s my path. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 17, 2018 Share #287 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Sure, but your paradigm, if I understand it correctly, is that a decision to use an X1D is unrelated to a decision to use another 35mm format camera. For multi-format users, that's fine and choosing a camera for the format of its sensor may be completely valid, if somewhat specialised. For many, we use only one camera at once. Sensor format is but one consideration. To say that deciding between two camera systems of different format and usability is "false" is narrowing the choice to one factor. It might work for you to think that way, but other perspectives are equally valid, even though they don't work for you. Not really. You might buy an X1D because it is smaller and lighter than an alternative, because you like Hasselblad and, by the way, it has a fantastic sensor. It's equally valid, though I agree the comparison reduces to a question of usability - one where the X1D is not (yet) resolved as well as the alternatives, in my view. Give it a break! This kind of stuff gets boring. You are constantly justifying whatever ‘your’ decision process is. If you can’t afford or don’t want more than one camera, fine. But most people who use specialized cameras don’t need them to also cook breakfast and pick up the mail and walk the dog. If you want a camera that does “all” perfectly, you will never be satisfied. But if you want medium format, picking apart the X1d in favor of a better performing 35mm camerais a ridiculous argument. You either want medium format or you don’t. If speed and versatility is your thing, buy a Sony or anything else just about in 35mm or smaller. But give the comparison a break. We all heard it already. Edited January 17, 2018 by Belle123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2018 Share #288 Posted January 17, 2018 Belle, this is a forum at which people have discussions. I'm not justifying anything, and I am at least trying to engage in a polite exchange. This is the second time you have made off hand ad hominem remarks. By all means, don't participate if you find a discussion boring, but if you do, please stick to the issues and leave out the less than polite comments. If you look above, YOU mentioned the false comparison - don't whine if someone disagrees with you, and certainly save being impolite. That is REALLY boring. Cheers John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 17, 2018 Share #289 Posted January 17, 2018 Belle, this is a forum at which people have discussions. I'm not justifying anything, and I am at least trying to engage in a polite exchange. This is the second time you have made off hand ad hominem remarks. By all means, don't participate if you find a discussion boring, but if you do, please stick to the issues and leave out the less than polite comments. If you look above, YOU mentioned the false comparison - don't whine if someone disagrees with you, and certainly save being impolite. That is REALLY boring. Cheers John Excuse me, but your the one whining here. Again, give it a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 17, 2018 Share #290 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I have enjoyed your discussions of your experience with the X1D - they have been very informative, and I will continue to contribute to discussions on this subject. Whining? No, just calling bad behaviour. People will disagree with you, Belle, as they do with me. It's more interesting if comments like "verbose as usual" and "false arguments" and "boring" and "give it a break" are left out. These are your comments, not mine. Drawing attention to them is not "whining". This exchange isn't adding to the discussion, for which I apologise to others. I think the point has been made, and will stop now (to the relief of all, I'm sure). You're on your own from here. Edited January 17, 2018 by IkarusJohn 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 17, 2018 Share #291 Posted January 17, 2018 I have enjoyed your discussions of your experience with the X1D - they have been very informative, and I will continue to contribute to discussions on this subject. Whining? No, just calling bad behaviour. People will disagree with you, Belle, as they do with me. It's more interesting if comments like "verbose as usual" and "false arguments" and "boring" and "give it a break" are left out. These are your comments, not mine. Drawing attention to them is not "whining". This exchange isn't adding to the discussion, for which I apologise to others. I think the point has been made, and will stop now (to the relief of all, I'm sure). You're on your own from here. Thanks. I am done discussing this with you as well. Your the one who today tried to pick an argument with me. Now I see why. Will avoid you in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted January 18, 2018 Share #292 Posted January 18, 2018 The 50 Lux M files on X1D are dreamy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 18, 2018 Share #293 Posted January 18, 2018 The 50 Lux M files on X1D are dreamy Hi Tim, What do they crop to? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted January 18, 2018 Share #294 Posted January 18, 2018 John, I get full coverage without vignetting at all apertures. It's the 35mm equivalent of a 40mm lens. I snapped a couple of photos of my dogs to show the overall quality. The chromatic aberration in this lens is uncorrected and it shows on her whiskers. These two photos are straight out of camera, only adjusted for white and black points. No other manipulation. There is some flare on the image of the outside dog that dulls the image, but as you can see I was pointing toward the sun and I did not pull out the shade. It's nice to have the Leica/German colors and character but on a large sensor. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278073-x1d/?do=findComment&comment=3442627'>More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted January 18, 2018 Share #295 Posted January 18, 2018 By the way, John, thank you for your advice in August. I was working most of the time but did make it over to the Waitakere Ranges with my SL. Only decent photograph I made was of Kerekere Falls. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278073-x1d/?do=findComment&comment=3442629'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 18, 2018 Share #296 Posted January 18, 2018 That’s great, Tim. Pleased you had a good time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 18, 2018 Share #297 Posted January 18, 2018 https://www.forbes.com/sites/markewing/2018/01/12/hasselblad-x1d-is-rated-the-worlds-finest-camera/#62c51c89772d "Expect product announcements throughout 2018, with expansions of the H6D and X1D product lines, perhaps including cameras at price points below X1D to broaden the market. By year’s end there will be twice as many lenses available for X1D." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 18, 2018 Share #298 Posted January 18, 2018 John, I get full coverage without vignetting at all apertures. It's the 35mm equivalent of a 40mm lens. I snapped a couple of photos of my dogs to show the overall quality. The chromatic aberration in this lens is uncorrected and it shows on her whiskers. These two photos are straight out of camera, only adjusted for white and black points. No other manipulation. There is some flare on the image of the outside dog that dulls the image, but as you can see I was pointing toward the sun and I did not pull out the shade. It's nice to have the Leica/German colors and character but on a large sensor. Beautiful dogs! So, this is with the 50mm Summilux M lens? Not R lens? I have 35mm Summilux M I will try and see if getting vignetting. So far on all my M lenses tried on the X1d, fair amount of vignetting. The 50mm Summicron R does well, with just tiny amount of vignetting which is easily corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted January 18, 2018 Share #299 Posted January 18, 2018 Yes, the M lens, and thank you. I'm using the Kipon adapter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 18, 2018 Share #300 Posted January 18, 2018 Yes, the M lens, and thank you. I'm using the Kipon adapter. Now I am regretting selling my Summilux 50mm M lens. This may cost me! Just tried my 35mm Summilux and is a no go with strong vignetting. If anyone has tried the 50mm Summilux R lens on the X1d, would sure like to know. That I can pick up at a fraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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